Counterfiet filters

[chuck172]

Be very careful out there when ordering Kioti filters online. There are counterfeit, cloned filters out there. You may think your ordering a genuine Kioti oem filter but receive a substitute. It happened to me!

 

[PILOON]

Hate to say it but in all probability the Kioti brand filter is made by somebody else and simply branded Kioti.

The most probable would be FRAM or PUROLATOR however I'm sure that there exist Korean and Japanese firms that private label filters as well.
NAPA also supplies filters under their name but suspect they are Fram or Purolator made.

 

[ritcheyvs]

Hate to say it but in all probability the Kioti brand filter is made by somebody else and simply branded Kioti. ...

This is almost certainly true. But whatever the origin, Kioti will stand behind the filters with their name on them. With another branded filter you have reason to trust it if the manufacturer claims it is a suitable replacement for OEM. But with a plain, no-name filter, how can you know it is really suitable or effective? Filters (air, fuel, and oil) are especially critical to Diesel engines (more than gas) and HST transmissions (more than gear); not the best place to save a buck.

 

[George2615]

Here is a list of filter makers I found on line. I'm sure there may be a few others but the majority of filters made in the USA are made by these companies. Some of these companies also have plants outside the USA. I haven't had much luck finding out who (besides the manufacturer) makes tractor filters.

Fram

Fram Extra Guard (std)
Fram Tough Guard (different media?)
Fram X2 (Silicone ADBV, Fuzzy media)
Fram Extended Guard(same as the X2)
Mileguard (Jiffy)
Honda (although some are alleged to be made by Filtech)
Chrysler line up except for the Cummins
Penzoil
Deffense
Canadian Tire

Champion Labs

Bosch
Car and Driver
Deutsch
Mobil 1
STP
SuperTech
K&N
Valvoline filters
Mighty
Service Champ
Lee
AutoZone Value Craft
Some AC Delco
VW (some)
Warner
Luberfiner
Trust

Wix

Carquest blue
Carquest red
Napa Gold
Napa Silver (lower quality with nitrile ADBV)
Kralinator (in Canada)
ALLIANCE (Freightliner aftermarket)

Purolator (Arvin Meritor)

Purolator premium plus (nitrile adbv)
Purolator Pure One (silicone adbv, different media)
Havoline
Maxlife Valvoline (some)
Group7
Promotive
Powerflow
Quaker State (less media)
Advanced Auto Total Grip. (less media)
Pep Boys Pro Line
MotorCraft
Superflo

Denso

Toyota

Mann+Hummel

Mann
Volvo

Clarcor

Baldwin
Hastings
Amsoil
Casite

 

[chuck172]

The cloned filter I got was said to be part # T4125-38021. $99.54
It was painted red. The remarkable thing about this filter was it had no markings on it, no lettering, no brand, nothing. Just a red filter.
I paid 100 bucks for a red filter. I wasn't about to put that on a new $23,000 tractor.

 

[oosik]

Good Lord 'a mighty - I can buy ALL the oil, hyd, air filters for one complete change over on my Kubota, from the Kubota dealer for less than $100. What seems to make the Kioti filters so very expensive. They can't be that much different than what I use.

 

[Hill Billy Bob]

I found this cross reference chart just now.....bet your filter is a Baldwin, and if so, not a cheap knockoff, but a quality filter. All Baldwins are bright red, but I never had one without a part number. Check this chart....your Kioti filter number, is exactly the same as Hitachi's....and is probably made by them. Also notice that Donaldson, Caterpillar, Fleetguard, and Baldwin, offer an equivalent filter to the one you want.

Detail

 

[chuck172]

I was told by the owner of "TractorJoe", which is where I bought the filter in question that it is a Baldwin. No way to verify without any markings.

 

[Sawworcs]

You plain got ripped off. Did you buy that from a dealer? If so I would be returning for a refund and have a talk with the owner or manager.

 

[Sawworcs]

Good Lord 'a mighty - I can buy ALL the oil, hyd, air filters for one complete change over on my Kubota, from the Kubota dealer for less than $100. What seems to make the Kioti filters so very expensive. They can't be that much different than what I use.

Haha. Ya right. Last time I checked a bucket of Kubota hydraulic oil was over $100.00. You are right though $100.00 is way to high for a hydraulic filter.

 

[RickB]

Hate to say it but in all probability the Kioti brand filter is made by somebody else and simply branded Kioti.

The most probable would be FRAM or PUROLATOR however I'm sure that there exist Korean and Japanese firms that private label filters as well.
NAPA also supplies filters under their name but suspect they are Fram or Purolator made.

NAPA filters are almost exclusively WIX, at least in the USA.

Suggesting Kioti filters are Fram or Purolator is based on what besides a whim of yours? Most Kioti air filters are Donaldson, Kioti filters for Perkins engine applications are often sourced from Perkins. Most, if not all the rest are sourced in Asia, not North America.

 

[Buggs67]

The cloned filter I got was said to be part # T4125-38021. $99.54
It was painted red. The remarkable thing about this filter was it had no markings on it, no lettering, no brand, nothing. Just a red filter.
I paid 100 bucks for a red filter. I wasn't about to put that on a new $23,000 tractor.

T4125-38021 - Hydrostatic Filter for Kioti Tractors | TractorJoe.com

I did a search on TractorJoe's site and here is what I came up with. DId you contact them? They don't say who makes it. I'd return it.

I think Kioti sources filters from a reputable maker,paints and marks them and charges a lot because we're stuck. Unless you're willing to use another brand that may or may not be comparable. I used Kioti filters for the 50 hr service. We'll see at 100 hrs.

 

[Buggs67]

https://dynamic.donaldson.com/WebStore/search/cross_reference.html

Search that part # at Donaldson's and this is what you get.

 

[ritcheyvs]

https://dynamic.donaldson.com/WebStore/search/cross_reference.html

Search that part # at Donaldson's and this is what you get.

Hey Buggs, Thanks. That looks pretty useful. I added a link to that Donaldson site to this page: Kioti Information Site

 

[Hill Billy Bob]

I was told by the owner of "TractorJoe", which is where I bought the filter in question that it is a Baldwin. No way to verify without any markings.

Well chuck, there is a Baldwin BT9464 that crosses to the T4125 38021. Got this number from the chart I linked to earlier in this thread.....Baldwin Filters BT9464 Hydraulic Filter 3 7 16 x 6 1 16 In | eBay

A lot less than $100.00.....order 2 and get free shipping.....There, I just saved you $70.00

Now I think I'll go hunt down a bargain for my CK.....although the hydraulic filter for it is only $41.50 at my Kioti Dealer.

 

[chuck172]

Here's the correct filter:Kioti HST Hydraulic Filter T4125 38021 DK35HSE DK40HSE DK45HSE DK50HSE | eBay

 

[PILOON]

NAPA filters are almost exclusively WIX, at least in the USA.

Suggesting Kioti filters are Fram or Purolator is based on what besides a whim of yours? Most Kioti air filters are Donaldson, Kioti filters for Perkins engine applications are often sourced from Perkins. Most, if not all the rest are sourced in Asia, not North America.

I simply suggested those 2 brands as to my knowledge they seem to be the biggest producers on the consumer market. Donaldson is not a known name to me, certainly not a common consumer product, but then I do learn more every day.

 

[RickB]

Donaldson has been building engine air filters for 100 years.

 

[lman]

Here's the correct filter:Kioti HST Hydraulic Filter T4125 38021 DK35HSE DK40HSE DK45HSE DK50HSE | eBay

There must be gold in that yellow paint. I like the price of the red paint.

 

[s219]

That's a ridiculous price for a filter, counterfeit or genuine.