Goose neck vs bumper pull

[ovrszd]

No Brandi it was an older, smaller Bobcat. He might have been pulling more weight than me, but it would have been very little and I doubt it. The buggies I was hauling weigh 4600-4700 lbs a piece. And I'm not picking on the Duramax. I would have told the story regardless of the outcome. It was just the one and only time since owning my Diesel I've been involved in what I would consider a "real world" challenge. All three of us drivers enjoyed the test.

 

[bironacad]

Back to the thread for a moment, lol, what would be the weight difference of the trailer from BP to GN on a twenty foot 10,000lb trailer, roughly.

 

[bironacad]

Back to the thread for a moment, lol, what would be the weight difference of the trailer from BP to GN on a twenty foot 10,000lb trailer, roughly.

the reason I ask is this I just checked the MTO (ministry transport Ontario) license designations for trailering non recreational vehicles. There is a 10,000lb limit even for D license for max towed vehicle. The D license allows for a larger tow vehicle, lol, no difference to the vehicle being towed. The thing is if you can prove the trailer and load is under the 10,000lb limit you are ok even if the trailer is rated for 14,000lbs. The problem though is the trailer itself will be heavier thereby reducing the payload. If the trailer is 1,000lbs heavier the total payload would drop by that weight.

 

[LD1]

I'd say, in general with similar size and type trailers, a GN will be ~10% heavier. So maybe 500#

Trouble is, most dont normally compare apples to apples.

GN are typically londer. Hard to find only a 20' GN (which would be a 15+5). Also not common in anything under 14k either.

Deckover and low profile also make a difference.

Just a quick comparison of 102" wide 20+5 trailers from big tex. Both 30k GVWR

A GN has 15k axles and w12x22 beams. weight 6980
A BP has 12k axles, same beams weighs 6100#

 

[LD1]

the reason I ask is this I just checked the MTO (ministry transport Ontario) license designations for trailering non recreational vehicles. There is a 10,000lb limit even for D license for max towed vehicle. The D license allows for a larger tow vehicle, lol, no difference to the vehicle being towed. The thing is if you can prove the trailer and load is under the 10,000lb limit you are ok even if the trailer is rated for 14,000lbs. The problem though is the trailer itself will be heavier thereby reducing the payload. If the trailer is 1,000lbs heavier the total payload would drop by that weight.

Well just using big tex as an example (i like their site)

You can get a 10k BP trailer 83" wide x 20' long and 2520#

Their lightest GN is 12k pipe top low-profile type. same 83"x20 is 3160#. So you would loose about 600# capacity.

Step up to the deckover style GN, and their smallest and lightest is a 20+5 14k, and it is just shy of 5000#

 

[bironacad]

Thanks, my truck wont notice the 10k trailer either way, F350 dually, I like the fiver/goose neck stability but unless I upgrade my license to an AR which requires a yearly medical (was $100 ten years ago)I would be hard pressed to legally move my tractor and some toys with a gooseneck. I want the 20', it looks like a bumper pull for me. To bad the ministry can't be talk to when you are pulled over, lol.

 

[ovrszd]

As I said earlier, these trailer weight issues need to be considered. Especially if you are gonna bump up against your legal limits. When you do that switch from BP to GN it's not 100% net gain, gotta figure in trailer weight differences as well.

 

[streamin]

As I said earlier, these trailer weight issues need to be considered. Especially if you are gonna bump up against your legal limits. When you do that switch from BP to GN it's not 100% net gain, gotta figure in trailer weight differences as well.

I agree, definitely something to consider.

 

[bironacad]

I agree, definitely something to consider.

Just got a quote on a 10K BP trailer with a weight of 3000lbs only leaves 7k for payload with the Ontario limit on G and D license yet I can hook up my 16,000 pound 40' fiver RV no problem, go figure.

 

[Deere Dude]

Trailer pulling story. I was pulling my 6800# GN trailer with 2 Jeep Buggies onboard with my '00 7.3 Powerstroke. Friend of mine was pulling same size trailer with a Jeep Buggy and a Polaris RZR onboard with his '06 6.0L Powerstroke. On an accessable 4 lane hiway. A GM Duramax truck pulled onto the roadway ahead of us pulling same size trailer with a Bobcat CTL onboard. My friend was ahead of me. We caught the Duramax before he could get up to speed and started passing him. My friend got ahead of him and pulled back into the right lane. I was coming behind still in the passing lane. I noticed the Duramax was in the throttle and smoking. Ahhhhhh,,,, the race is on. The Duramax pulled into the passing lane ahead of me so I had to match his speed. We slowly crawled past the 6.0L. After he got past my friend the Duramax pulled to the right lane. Him and I raced for about 20 miles. Took me that long to get past him. I looked at my speedo as I crawled past him and I was going 87-88 mph. As I passed he gave me the thumbs up and courteously flashed his lights when I was clear to move to the right. My friend in his 6.0L was at least 1/2 mile behind by this time. The two Powerstrokes were stock. Pretty sure the Duramax was too. Hope so anyway or he would be very disappointed.

I remember commercials on TV where a Chevy was pulling a Dodge up a rocky mountain and had a Ford truck strapped to the top of his bed. Or was it the other way around?

 

[ovrszd]

I remember commercials on TV where a Chevy was pulling a Dodge up a rocky mountain and had a Ford truck strapped to the top of his bed. Or was it the other way around?

I know. Gets pretty crazy. As I said, I don't care who won. It was just exciting to find ourselves in such a race. Worst part was my Son was behind us in an '04 Dodge Cummins pulling similar load but was so far back that he couldn't get involved.

 

[terryknight]

it was a ford towing a dodge with a chevy on the bed

one from 85

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msd5ltrMd3Y

and one from

87

 

[Deere Dude]

I know. Gets pretty crazy. As I said, I don't care who won. It was just exciting to find ourselves in such a race. Worst part was my Son was behind us in an '04 Dodge Cummins pulling similar load but was so far back that he couldn't get involved.

I remember pulling up to a light with new 1990 350 1/2 to and a Ford 1/2 ton pulled next to me. We went for it on the green and I don't remember who won, but it was close and seemed like it was in slow motion we were going so slow. That is compared to the new diesel pullers we have now. I have an 02 duramax that I really don't think that 350 Chevy would outrun. I pull a 5th wheel camper that loaded puts the truck and trailer at around 23-24000# I gets up to speed quite well but I really hate to keep the foot in the gas any long than it necessary. I am afraid I would pop something. That us unless a Ford pulled beside me :laughing:

 

[Diamondpilot]

it was a ford towing a dodge with a chevy on the bed

one from 85

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msd5ltrMd3Y

and one from

87

I remember that commercial. I hated it at the time. I was a GM guy upto 92. I had another for a year in 97, a company supplied Dually. My last straw was my 05 3500.

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

I remember pulling up to a light with new 1990 350 1/2 to and a Ford 1/2 ton pulled next to me. We went for it on the green and I don't remember who won, but it was close and seemed like it was in slow motion we were going so slow. That is compared to the new diesel pullers we have now. I have an 02 duramax that I really don't think that 350 Chevy would outrun. I pull a 5th wheel camper that loaded puts the truck and trailer at around 23-24000# I gets up to speed quite well but I really hate to keep the foot in the gas any long than it necessary. I am afraid I would pop something. That us unless a Ford pulled beside me :laughing:

Compare your 02 Dmax to today's diesels. It's not even close. My 06 F350 with 200Hp of mods doesn't hold a candle to my neighbors new F350. It has 440 HP and 880 FT TQ from the factory.

Chris

 

[bironacad]

Compare your 02 Dmax to today's diesels. It's not even close. My 06 F350 with 200Hp of mods doesn't hold a candle to my neighbors new F350. It has 440 HP and 880 FT TQ from the factory.

Chris

I gave my 03 5.9CTD To my cousin 200,000 and would still pull a mountain. I bought a 2014 ford 6.7 powerstroke dually only because it had the largest fuel tank, lol. My 5.9 got similar mileage to the 4x4 2014 Cherokee that we use for our daily driver. I like both diesels

 

[AGRIMAN]

Trailer pulling story. I was pulling my 6800# GN trailer with 2 Jeep Buggies onboard with my '00 7.3 Powerstroke. Friend of mine was pulling same size trailer with a Jeep Buggy and a Polaris RZR onboard with his '06 6.0L Powerstroke. On an accessable 4 lane hiway. A GM Duramax truck pulled onto the roadway ahead of us pulling same size trailer with a Bobcat CTL onboard. My friend was ahead of me. We caught the Duramax before he could get up to speed and started passing him. My friend got ahead of him and pulled back into the right lane. I was coming behind still in the passing lane. I noticed the Duramax was in the throttle and smoking. Ahhhhhh,,,, the race is on. The Duramax pulled into the passing lane ahead of me so I had to match his speed. We slowly crawled past the 6.0L. After he got past my friend the Duramax pulled to the right lane. Him and I raced for about 20 miles. Took me that long to get past him. I looked at my speedo as I crawled past him and I was going 87-88 mph. As I passed he gave me the thumbs up and courteously flashed his lights when I was clear to move to the right. My friend in his 6.0L was at least 1/2 mile behind by this time. The two Powerstrokes were stock. Pretty sure the Duramax was too. Hope so anyway or he would be very disappointed.

Nice Jeeps ovrszd. I'm mainly a mud racer, but I have some friends with buggies and they are a lot of fun. Here's one of my similar towing stories.

I guess it's left over from my street racing days, but it doesn't take much to get me going either. Just after daylight one Sunday morning me and a few friends were on the interstate still trying to make it home from an all-day/half the night race. I was driving my 250 (7.3 Bully Dog equipped) pulling a 28ft gooseneck loaded with my race truck and all the other usual stuff you haul around (2 sets of tires, generator, fuel,etc.) when I hit a single lane construction zone which was about 3 miles long. I slowed down to around 60 and wasn't paying a lot of attention, but just as I was exiting the construction zone I noticed a 3500 Duramax pulling a dirt track car coming up on me fast (he obviously didn't slow down).

Just as we exited the zone, he shot to the inside lane and started around us. My buddy (still half asleep) looked of at me very surprised and asked "You going to let him do that". At the time, I was tired and didn't really care, but true to my nature .... started thinking. He managed to get his trailer just pasted me when I decided not today my friend. For the next mile or so it was on, somewhere around 90 I pulled back up beside him and started to pull away. Neither one of us lifted and I pulled him a truck/trailer length before he finally did and fall back. I don't know, but I'm sure we broke triple digits.

My buddy (still half asleep) asked "Changed your mind". I said yeah, got to thinking that the very first thing that guy was going to do Monday morning was tell all his friends at work how he blow past this Power Stroke and there was no way I was going to let that happen.

 

[ovrszd]

Compare your 02 Dmax to today's diesels. It's not even close. My 06 F350 with 200Hp of mods doesn't hold a candle to my neighbors new F350. It has 440 HP and 880 FT TQ from the factory.

Chris

No doubt. Ten years ago it would have been considered insane for the manufacturers to offer the kind of power they offer today.

 

[bindian]

Just got a quote on a 10K BP trailer with a weight of 3000lbs only leaves 7k for payload with the Ontario limit on G and D license yet I can hook up my 16,000 pound 40' fiver RV no problem, go figure.

I went ahead and got a commercial license, just in case some state trooper thinks he is behind in his quota and tries to get me in a grey area. But I don't get hassled as I have farm tags on my trailers. Do Y'all have anything for ag use exemptions to the G & D license requirements?
hugs, Brandi

 

[bironacad]

I went ahead and got a commercial license, just in case some state trooper thinks he is behind in his quota and tries to get me in a grey area. But I don't get hassled as I have farm tags on my trailers. Do Y'all have anything for ag use exemptions to the G & D license requirements?
hugs, Brandi

Yes the load requirement is lifted when hauling husbandry equipment, so if hauling hay or a tractor with a hay rake I would be ok,