Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement?

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/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #281  
So 1% of what you bought it for plus a max 2% increase per year?

Yes... although the technical part is 1% of value at the time of transfer... so, if you decided to sell your nephew your home at a 50% discount... the Assessor can come back.

In practice... any home sold through the normal brokerage will be assessed at the sale price.

Since 1978 the actual tax rate has varied from 1.1% to as much as 1.8% depending on location... my friends a few minutes away live in the county and pay 1.1%... I live in a big city where 2/3 of the voters have approved about 25 special assessments from a $1 for mosquito abatement to $85 for midnight basketball and even a tax to bring back the Oakland Raiders!

My 101 year old neighbor home sold yesterday... she bought it new in 1958 and her current tax bill is $2,000 including all the special voter approved assessments...

The new couple that just bought it will be paying over 10k... and if they keep it 50 years like the previous owner that 10k will be very low if selling prices continue to increase...
 
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/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #283  
Yes... although the technical part is 1% of value at the time of transfer... so, if you decided to sell your nephew your home at a 50% discount... the Assessor can come back.

In practice... any home sold through the normal brokerage will be assessed at the sale price.

Since 1978 the actual tax rate has varied from 1.1% to as much as 1.8% depending on location... my friends a few minutes away live in the county and pay 1.1%... I live in a big city where 2/3 of the voters have approved about 25 special assessments from a $1 for mosquito abatement to $85 for midnight basketball and even a tax to bring back the Oakland Raiders!

My 101 year old neighbor home sold yesterday... she bought it new in 1958 and her current tax bill is $2,000 including all the special voter approved assessments...

The new couple that just bought it will be paying over 10k... and if they keep it 50 years like the previous owner that 10k will be very low if selling prices continue to increase...

These are unrealistic and unsustainable rules. Think about how much your neighbor has been under-contributing over the years. It's like rent-control. It's against the laws of economics. Besides if you don't pay by property taxes, then you'll have to pay the bill elsewhere. Or cut services. Or incurr debt through deficit spending. And then debt creates it's own drag.

All these dumb Props CA does could be why it's on the balls of it's *** financially.
 
/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #284  
As much as I love my labradors (and I'm on my second rescue dog too), people are always more important in my mind ...

I also love the Salvation Army.

I am also a fan of the Salvation Army. In my years of activity with amateur radio, I had occasion to work with them and also the Red Cross. I still haven't gotten over how shameless the Red Cross was for a photo op. We had a local flood and, of course, the Salvation Army was right there. The Red Cross came only after the media arrived. I swear .... they drove 2 well marked vehicles through the neighborhood to get on camera and then left. The Red Cross, in my opinion, is nothing but a vehicle to raise money over every single opportunity.

Back to the point ....

I agree completely that trusted causes for humankind are worthy charities. Having worked in animal rescue for a number of years, it seems there is an ENDLESS stream of money into those human efforts - although much of it is wasted. The other of God's Creations - our pets - suffer in an endless array of underfunded shelters or are simply killed. My estate, almost all of it, is going to help one or two dedicated local animal shelters.
 
/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #285  
So 40 percent of SF homes sell for cash? If you got rid of the jumbo mortgages and removed that other 60 percent from the market what do you suppose the prices would be? And one percent taxes on a property that has an inflated value three times what it is really worth means your paying three percent of your real value. California and San Francisco are certifiably nuts. Hope your eyes wide open and ready to get out if and when that goes toes up on people.
 
/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #286  
These are unrealistic and unsustainable rules. Think about how much your neighbor has been under-contributing over the years. It's like rent-control. It's against the laws of economics. Besides if you don't pay by property taxes, then you'll have to pay the bill elsewhere. Or cut services. Or incurr debt through deficit spending. And then debt creates it's own drag.

All these dumb Props CA does could be why it's on the balls of it's *** financially.

I hear what you are saying, but I am all for any kind of limit on any and all taxes. I pay somewhere around $10K a year on property taxes alone.
 
/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #287  
These are unrealistic and unsustainable rules. Think about how much your neighbor has been under-contributing over the years. It's like rent-control. It's against the laws of economics. Besides if you don't pay by property taxes, then you'll have to pay the bill elsewhere. Or cut services. Or incurr debt through deficit spending. And then debt creates it's own drag.

All these dumb Props CA does could be why it's on the balls of it's *** financially.

Where to begin?

You could not be more wrong... then again, people living outside of California have no idea just how much in taxes Californians pay...

By the same logic it could be said folks in Nevada and Washington are in the same boat since these States charge no Income Tax or those living in Oregon pay no Sales Tax. Californians pay Property, Sales, Income, numerous surcharges on everything from Utilities/Cell Service to buying Lumber... there are literally thousands of entities with the power to tax in this State.

Prop 13 was a groundswell taxpayer revolt at a time double digit tax increases were rampant and the legislature chose not to act... simply indexing the homeowner exemption would have stopped Prop 13... by the way, Jerry Brown was governor then and again now...

Also... several tax Assessors pre-prop 13 were sent to prison and others committed suicide when their sweetheart tax deals were uncovered for those of influence and power... it was just too easy to manipulate property values when based on estimates of value.

I would NEVER want to go back to the old system where some bureaucrat estimates my taxes based on a guess using what some fool happened to pay for a property in my area... I've experienced this in Washington State when my taxes increased 80% one year to the next because some fool with money paid an outlandish price for a parcel of land... only to go bankrupt when the market tanked...

Prop 13 replaced volumes of Tax Code with a few short paragraphs... anyone can understand it and reduced Assessor staff dramatically...

Why should a home be treated differently than any other purchase... I have a 1962 Corvette that sits in the garage... as Corvette values rise... using your logic so should my registration.

The Supreme Court has ruled Prop 13 does not violate the equal protection clause... Prop 13 is simply a tax based on the price paid between a willing seller and buyer...

Prop 13 is not cast in stone... voter approval is all that is required to increase taxes... in my city, the voters have been very generous... only 55% voter approval is required for school infrastructure...

Californians pay some of the highest taxes in the Nation... so pray tell why adding some stability to property taxes is a bad thing?

I was much too young to have voted for Prop 13 when it became law... I am thankful and grateful for those that did...

PS... Why shouldn't my 101 year old neighbor widow lady living on savings and a modest Social Security check be forced from her home because some think she should pay more in property tax... she paid her dues, paid the assessments for the road and utilities that I get to enjoy...

She and others like her deserve a secure retirement... we do not work for the government...
 
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/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #288  
So 40 percent of SF homes sell for cash? If you got rid of the jumbo mortgages and removed that other 60 percent from the market what do you suppose the prices would be? And one percent taxes on a property that has an inflated value three times what it is really worth means your paying three percent of your real value. California and San Francisco are certifiably nuts. Hope your eyes wide open and ready to get out if and when that goes toes up on people.

Well... my backup plan has not worked out so well... I bought a home in Washington State and in one year my taxes increased 80%!!! I was told it was because land value had nearly doubled based on a single sale to a developer at a record price... well, the Developer went bust and now the land is open space... didn't matter the damage had been done...

The 40% cash sales is just that... others put down 20, 30 or even 50% on top of the all cash sales...

I guess the rest of the nation has a love/hate relationship with California... just remember California is a donor state and sends much more to Washington than it receives... also, the economy is always in the top 10 of the world...

Unemployment is very low around here and wages quite good... this is what drives the market. SF minimum wage is set to reach $15 and Oakland is $12.25 with mandatory sick pay...

More patents are filed from California than all the other states combined... it got to the point where a West Coast Patent office was opened just to deal with the volume.

Then there is California AG... a wonder of the world...

Sure, there is lots to gripe about and I certainly do... my point is anyone thinking California is going away or will diminish in standing is not being rational....

Living and working in California has single handedly provided secure retirement for many I know... after decades of working here they leave... taking their California money with them... a paid for typical Bay Area home will net about 600k...
 
/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #289  
Well... my backup plan has not worked out so well... I bought a home in Washington State and in one year my taxes increased 80%!!! I was told it was because land value had nearly doubled based on a single sale to a developer at a record price... well, the Developer went bust and now the land is open space... didn't matter the damage had been done...

The 40% cash sales is just that... others put down 20, 30 or even 50% on top of the all cash sales...

I guess the rest of the nation has a love/hate relationship with California... just remember California is a donor state and sends much more to Washington than it receives... also, the economy is always in the top 10 of the world...

Unemployment is very low around here and wages quite good... this is what drives the market. SF minimum wage is set to reach $15 and Oakland is $12.25 with mandatory sick pay...

More patents are filed from California than all the other states combined... it got to the point where a West Coast Patent office was opened just to deal with the volume.

Then there is California AG... a wonder of the world...

Sure, there is lots to gripe about and I certainly do... my point is anyone thinking California is going away or will diminish in standing is not being rational....

Living and working in California has single handedly provided secure retirement for many I know... after decades of working here they leave... taking their California money with them... a paid for typical Bay Area home will net about 600k...
Well said, I moved from Colorado to Southern Ca. in 1986 for a chance at better pay and it worked for me. I was in the construction industry and got tired of making a living 8 or 9 months of the year then barely getting by. Most people from the rest of the country think the goofy stories they hear are the way it is but nothing could be farther from the truth. I met a lot of people who came out here like I did and couldn't cut it so went back to poverty flats and bad mouthed the "left coast" or" land of fruits and nuts" or whatever excuse they could dream up. California has plenty of problems but the rest of the country has just as many and we have the weather which to me is well worth the "sunshine tax" we pay.
 
/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #290  
I love California. We've talked about moving out there a few times, but we both have great jobs that keep us here. They call it the "golden handcuffs" around the office.
 
/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #291  
California has plenty of problems but the rest of the country has just as many and we have the weather which to me is well worth the "sunshine tax" we pay.

Right. California is cool. If it were not for the population, I would like to live there. Very nice place.
 
/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #292  
Surprised at the number of bright people I work with with ties to Michigan... some have roots going way back.

Two are doctors that met as students... I've asked them if they plan on ever moving back and the answer is no... over 20 years, even the in-laws have relocated to the SF Bay Area...

The most recent home sold around here had plenty of East Coast license plates at the open house... I did speak with some and all had a job offer for a High Tech firm... some had planned to live in SF and found their dollars go farther living across the Bay....

Tech is certainly the driver... computers, biotech, power generation, etc... at one time Defense was a huge part of the Bay Area economy and only a fraction of what it once was...

Today, it was 75 with dark blue sky and not even a trace of breeze... really idyllic... now, if we could get the water issue solved and some common sense in governing... it really would be paradise.

Any doubts... just catch the news clips of the AT&T open at Pebble Beach today....
 
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I hear what you are saying, but I am all for any kind of limit on any and all taxes. I pay somewhere around $10K a year on property taxes alone.

TomSeller.....how much property do you have to pay taxes on? Mine are currently about $3400 a year on 11 acres. My taxes are about the same as others nearby who have 1/4 acre lots because the law here limits the amount my taxes can increase each year.
 
/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #294  
Washington State had it's own version of Prop 13 called I-747 which also enjoyed vast voter approval... one judge was able to nullify and taxes soared...

My 16.9 acres with 1977 home is currently taxed $12,500... the home is rented for $1,800 per month and it takes more than 7 months rent just to cover taxes... tax was $6,950 based on my purchase price 18 months prior.

Comments on sustainability go both ways...
 
/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #295  
Washington State had it's own version of Prop 13 called I-747 which also enjoyed vast voter approval... one judge was able to nullify and taxes soared...

My 16.9 acres with 1977 home is currently taxed $12,500... the home is rented for $1,800 per month and it takes more than 7 months rent just to cover taxes... tax was $6,950 based on my purchase price 18 months prior.

Comments on sustainability go both ways...

I just looked up my taxes that I can view online in Itawamba county, MS. About 300 acres and $900 annually.

So that's another thing to consider if your lucky is if the property you own is not taxed highly. Many of us can't decide where we are going to retire. Our location is because SWMBO's family is down there. I pay about 5 times as much for property taxes on one house in northern Virginia. But off the cuff that house on 1/4 acre is about the same value as the 300 acres in northeast Mississippi.
 
/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #296  
That is amazing... 300 acres taxed at $900

My parents have a strip of land about 4 x 100 that is needed for their home... for various reasons it cannot be combined and the tax bill on the land valued at $400 is $900 a year consisting 99% of special assessments that apply to all taxable parcels...
 
/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #297  
I think that type of borrowing is more commonplace than we can imagine.

As someone mentioned earlier, my wife works with a lady that is 67. She just signed a 30 yr mortgage.

I am over 65 and have two mortgages on two different properties. One is at 3.25% and one is at 2.75%. I could pay them off tomorrow but I prefer to keep the money in investments. The Federal government policies that have driven fixed interest (and income) rates to unrealistic low numbers skew the decisions. If you have the assets to take the risk, the logical approach is to borrow at low fixed rates and invest for the long term in equities.
 
/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #298  
Surprised at the number of bright people I work with with ties to Michigan... some have roots going way back.

Two are doctors that met as students... I've asked them if they plan on ever moving back and the answer is no... over 20 years, even the in-laws have relocated to the SF Bay Area...

The most recent home sold around here had plenty of East Coast license plates at the open house... I did speak with some and all had a job offer for a High Tech firm... some had planned to live in SF and found their dollars go farther living across the Bay....

Tech is certainly the driver... computers, biotech, power generation, etc... at one time Defense was a huge part of the Bay Area economy and only a fraction of what it once was...

Today, it was 75 with dark blue sky and not even a trace of breeze... really idyllic... now, if we could get the water issue solved and some common sense in governing... it really would be paradise.

Any doubts... just catch the news clips of the AT&T open at Pebble Beach today....

The bright ones are probably the people that get out! :rotfl:

We originally planned to head somewhere with nicer weather when we finished school. Then my wife started her job while I was finishing up graduate school and did very well. Since then, there has never been a "good" time to leave. :ashamed:

But the pay is good and the benefits are great. Couple that with the relatively low cost of living here and we can stick it out here until it's time to buy a winter home somewhere warm. :dance1:
 
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The bright ones are probably the people that get out! :rotfl:

We originally planned to head somewhere with nicer weather when we finished school. Then my wife started her job while I was finishing up graduate school and did very well. Since then, there has never been a "good" time to leave. :ashamed:

But the pay is good and the benefits are great. Couple that with the relatively low cost of living here and we can stick it out here until it's time to buy a winter home somewhere warm. :dance1:

I have lived in the Central Michigan area all my life, meaning all my friends and family are here. It's well below zero right now (minus 28 degrees with the windchill) but that is part of living here.
 
/ Are you "lucky"if you have a secure retirement? #300  
I have lived in the Central Michigan area all my life, meaning all my friends and family are here. It's well below zero right now (minus 28 degrees with the windchill) but that is part of living here.

Right. Most people would call it the downside to living here...

I've also lived my entire life in the midwest (half in northern Ohio and half in Michigan).
 
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