How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ?

[IslandTractor]

So what do you propose to counter that? According to BPD officers I've interviewed, 80-90% of firearm violence in Boston is due to criminal gangs. Despite many, many laws, gun fatalities are up and the use of guns in assaults is also up. And we have virtually every law there is.

Yes, the vast majority of gun violence in Massachusetts is gang related and intra gang. Almost no gun violence in suburbs or rural areas and limited to a relatively few inner city neighborhoods. Other than the gang v gang homicides we have very few firearm deaths compared to other states. Our citizenry does not seem to suffer despite one of the lowest firearm ownership rates (12%) in the nation. Check out statistics on firearm deaths in the USA. The myth that firearms are necessary to protect yourself just doesn't stand up to critical review.

 

[jix]

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I will say one nice thing about our Canadian brother, even though I disagree with about every thing he believes on this subject. He IS polite. And that is a good thing.[/QUOTE]


Jix is not the only polite member on here.. Every member is polite. It is an outstanding camaraderie..and Jix is grateful for that..and has learned from this thread.

 

[houstonscott]

Yes, the vast majority of gun violence in Massachusetts is gang related and intra gang. Almost no gun violence in suburbs or rural areas and limited to a relatively few inner city neighborhoods. Other than the gang v gang homicides we have very few firearm deaths compared to other states. Our citizenry does not seem to suffer despite one of the lowest firearm ownership rates (12%) in the nation. Check out statistics on firearm deaths in the USA. The myth that firearms are necessary to protect yourself just doesn't stand up to critical review.

I don't see any connection between criminals and guns. I do see a gigantic statistical connection in violent firearm crimes, staring everyone in the face. HS

 

[houstonscott]

It's the Second Amendment, Stupid

The UN spun truth.

HS

 

[houstonscott]

It's the Second Amendment, Stupid

The UN spun truth.

HS

 

[KiotiKowboy]

Change will come though probably not before a few thousand more children are bumped off by "well regulated" militia members.

You know, IT, that is a HIGHLY offensive and IGNORANT comment.

First - just because some evil craziod takes a knife and stabs someone - it doesn't mean you start passing laws to ban knives. Any time a crime is committed with a firearm, liberals race to be the first one to stand atop the dead and scream for more gun control. This is a knee-jerk response that serves no useful purpose. It would make far more sense to stop and ask - Why was the victim not able to defend him/herself? Or, why were those in positions of responsibility unable to defend those in their care?

Police CANNOT protect you. If you are the intended target of a crime - you will most likely become the victim of that crime. Police will respond to clean up the mess. Only YOU are in a position to protect yourself and/or your family. If you make it impossible for people to defend themselves, criminals will simply have an easier time in their line of work.

With your self-serving and ignorant remarks, you have tried to equate all gun owners as potential murderers. All you have done is paint yourself as a liberal ideologue who is incapable of logical reason on this issue. As is typical of your ilk, because most of your liberal causes are indefensible, reason gives way to insults and innuendo.

Your kind has tried its best to paint guns as bad, and anyone who owns one as bad. NORMAL people find this worn out attack extremely irritating. Granted, there are enough useful idiots in your clan to elect those who would use your ignorance in their quest to expand government power - i.e. Obama, Reid, Pelosi, etc. The U.S. is not the first to face this enemy within. Many of those who gave in found themselves dead or enslaved.

Just to be clear - You have lost ALL CREDIBILITY on this issue.

Hope this helps.

 

[Garandman]

Yes, the vast majority of gun violence in Massachusetts is gang related and intra gang. Almost no gun violence in suburbs or rural areas and limited to a relatively few inner city neighborhoods. Other than the gang v gang homicides we have very few firearm deaths compared to other states. Our citizenry does not seem to suffer despite one of the lowest firearm ownership rates (12%) in the nation. Check out statistics on firearm deaths in the USA. The myth that firearms are necessary to protect yourself just doesn't stand up to critical review.

Massachusetts is the most violent state in the Northeast according to census data. Your selective use of that particular fact ignores the fact that New England as a whole has a relatively low rate of firearm deaths, and other states in New England have much higher gun ownership rates and much lower rates of violent crime.

You are in a shrinking minority of people who think this way and as mentioned, even the CDC had to admit that having a firearm to defend yourself made risk of injury lower.

According to the latest Gallup poll, 63% of Americans now believe that having a gun in the house makes you safer. This is up from 47% in 2006.

More Than Six in 10 Americans Say Guns Make Homes Safer

 

[Garandman]

Yes, that is the current reading by a conservative supreme court. It is the first time in 200 plus years that SCOTUS took such a position and it is subject to change with future courts. Recall that SCOTUS in the past supported slavery and disenfranchisement of women and minorities. Change will come though probably not before a few thousand more children are bumped off by "well regulated" militia members.

Yes, it's aways about the children, isn't it?

Perhaps you should move to Chicago or Washington DC. Until recently both cities had a near total ban on the possession of handguns and extensive rules even for the purchase of rifles or shotguns. You And the children will be much safer.

 

[IslandTractor]

You know, IT, that is a HIGHLY offensive and IGNORANT comment.

First - just because some evil craziod takes a knife and stabs someone - it doesn't mean you start passing laws to ban knives. Any time a crime is committed with a firearm, liberals race to be the first one to stand atop the dead and scream for more gun control. This is a knee-jerk response that serves no useful purpose. It would make far more sense to stop and ask - Why was the victim not able to defend him/herself? Or, why were those in positions of responsibility unable to defend those in their care?

Police CANNOT protect you. If you are the intended target of a crime - you will most likely become the victim of that crime. Police will respond to clean up the mess. Only YOU are in a position to protect yourself and/or your family. If you make it impossible for people to defend themselves, criminals will simply have an easier time in their line of work.

With your self-serving and ignorant remarks, you have tried to equate all gun owners as potential murderers. All you have done is paint yourself as a liberal ideologue who is incapable of logical reason on this issue. As is typical of your ilk, because most of your liberal causes are indefensible, reason gives way to insults and innuendo.

Your kind has tried its best to paint guns as bad, and anyone who owns one as bad. NORMAL people find this worn out attack extremely irritating. Granted, there are enough useful idiots in your clan to elect those who would use your ignorance in their quest to expand government power - i.e. Obama, Reid, Pelosi, etc. The U.S. is not the first to face this enemy within. Many of those who gave in found themselves dead or enslaved.

Just to be clear - You have lost ALL CREDIBILITY on this issue.

Hope this helps.

I have stated very plainly that I don't think guns are bad and that I have no objection to reasonable people owning guns for both sporting and self protection. I'm perfectly happy that MossRoad and Bird carry guns. Doesn't bother me in the least. What I object to, strenuously, are the nutjobs that treat gun rights as a religious matter rather than a civic matter. I think, based on your earlier posts in which you suggest jury nullification and other forms of disregard for the laws of our land, that you are a gun nut. I find that highly ignorant and offensive too.

Go back and read my comments before you try to distort them. I talked simply about the history of gun rights and the fact that the past 40 years or so has been an anomaly. I talked about how until 40 years ago the NRA was simply a sportsman's organization and not in the pocket of gun manufacturers. I talked about how we have both very low firearm death rates and firearm ownership in Massachusetts and how outside of a few zipcodes in our major cities, that there is virtually no gun crime (hence no need for CCW) in Massachusetts (or Hawaii, or RI, or CT, or ME, or VT, or NH). New Englanders generally have guns for sporting purposes. With the exception of gangbangers, who kill each other, we die of firearm homicides far less frequently than most of the rest of you who walk around armed. Go figure. And, what is the demographic group least likely (after children) to be a victim of firearm homicide??? You got it bubba, it's white rural males over the age of 40. Essentially the TBN population. Lowest risk group in the nation. Lower than their wives who periodically are shot dead by the husband. So stuff your silly "intended victim of a crime" argument. And, when you finish with that, consider this: Little Girl's Heartbreaking Discovery after Her Father is Killed in Road Rage Incident | Plymouth-Canton, MI Patch and this: Man, 25, charged with murder in road rage shooting | News - Home and this: California family devastated after road rage shooting claims mom of four | Fox News

 

[IslandTractor]

Massachusetts is the most violent state in the Northeast according to census data. Your selective use of that particular fact ignores the fact that New England as a whole has a relatively low rate of firearm deaths, and other states in New England have much higher gun ownership rates and much lower rates of violent crime.

You are in a shrinking minority of people who think this way and as mentioned, even the CDC had to admit that having a firearm to defend yourself made risk of injury lower.

According to the latest Gallup poll, 63% of Americans now believe that having a gun in the house makes you safer. This is up from 47% in 2006.

More Than Six in 10 Americans Say Guns Make Homes Safer

Almost all gun crime in New England, MA included, is gang bangers. At least since we got Whitey Bulger off the streets. There is very little stranger gun crime. And yes, Maine, Vermont and NH have higher gun ownership (mostly hunting rifles) and lower gun crime but the reason is that they have no inner cities to speak of and no gangbangers.