How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ?

[IslandTractor]

Originally Posted by jix
Hence the right to bear arms in a regulated and well disciplined militia was [and remains] justified.but this justification has been modified to mean that every person, whether in a well-regulated militia or not, has the right to bear arms anywhere at any time without cause


That's not what it says or means!

HS

Yes, that is the current reading by a conservative supreme court. It is the first time in 200 plus years that SCOTUS took such a position and it is subject to change with future courts. Recall that SCOTUS in the past supported slavery and disenfranchisement of women and minorities. Change will come though probably not before a few thousand more children are bumped off by "well regulated" militia members.

 

[houstonscott]

Yes, that is the current reading by a conservative supreme court. It is the first time in 200 plus years that SCOTUS took such a position and it is subject to change with future courts. Recall that SCOTUS in the past supported slavery and disenfranchisement of women and minorities. Change will come though probably not before a few thousand more children are bumped off by "well regulated" militia members.

The right to bear arms and a well regulated militia are two separate thoughts, they are not connected. SCOTUS has only taken a one case or position, your words, and that's the decision, live with it. The idea you can only bear arms within or as part of a militia is a miss reading of the verbiage and a lie, straight up. Please don't spread that misreading or your "wish that's what it says" wrong understanding of a very clearly written document. HS

 

[buickanddeere]

Not even cops are allowed to carry off duty in Canada. long arms etc at night are supposed to be enclosed in a carrying case. Additional legislation on banning pointed sticks is pending.

 

[TomSeller]

The reason our system works is that citizens and politicians abide by elections. The one significant instance when they did not resulted in a civil war, not a tyrannical government that disregarded electoral outcomes. Our constitutional form of government has NEVER required and "armed militia" to keep it in check. Indeed, virtually all examples of an "armed militia" being formed in this country have been vigilante mobs who murdered fellow citizens. The one exception was the Whiskey Rebellion when George Washington and Alexander Hamilton raised a militia force to confront rebellious citizens.

To argue that the federal government has ever been "afraid" of self appointed militias is simply stupid. The constitution calls for the "armed militia" that the second amendment protects to be headed by POTUS. Does that make any sense to you at all if the armed militia is to control the government. More like the armed militia is there to control any standing military from taking over the government, which after all was exactly what the framers of the constitution were concerned about. Our nation's professional military have never attempted a coup and that tradition is deeply ingrained in our officer corps. However, assuming the military ever did drive tanks into DC and take over the reigns of power, do you seriously think a disorganized group of NRA fanatics is going to stop them? This ain't 1776 bubba. M1A1 verses a pickup truck anyone? 155mm howitzer verses an AR15?? Predator drones versus some helicopter drone kit you bought from Amazon?? The "armed militia" fantasy is simply a marketing ploy by hardened gun nuts to attempt to use the constitution to buttress their case. It has only been in the past 20 years or so that a conservative SCOTUS has given any credence at all to the notion that "armed militia" was anything but a vestigial and outdated concept aimed at the King of England. There is no noble history of armed militia in this country, just a vapid argument used by gun nuts.

Again, I have zero issues with guns for sport or even self protection in one's home. I don't like the idea that anyone who is paranoid can go get himself a semiautomatic weapon and stick it in his pocket to make a trip to Costco or the supermarket. And, I think anyone who shows up at McDonalds or Starbucks with an AR15 has just met criteria for having all weapons permits cancelled and guns removed by the local police chief.

Well said. It is important that we have guns but it is nuts think that our military would be kept in check by them. At best our guns are a concern to local police enforcement.

 

[Bird]

Not even cops are allowed to carry off duty in Canada. long arms etc at night are supposed to be enclosed in a carrying case. Additional legislation on banning pointed sticks is pending.

When I started in law enforcement in 1964, we were REQUIRED to go armed at all times away from home and we were told that applied anywhere in the state even though I was a city officer. Then when we got a whole new penal code in the early 70s, it appeared to not permit off duty officers to carry outside their own jurisdiction. But that penal code has been amended several times in the post 40 years.:laughing:

Incidentally, when I applied for a CHL, just as any other citizen without any mention of a law enforcement background, I was told that the Department of Public Safety was taking about 60 days to process such applications. But the mail today brought my new CHL; exactly 14 days after I took the class and mailed in the form from the instructor.

 

[k0ua]

When I was a Deputy Sheriff about 3 lifetimes ago, we were required to carry off duty also. Also anywhere in the state.

I will say one nice thing about our Canadian brother, even though I disagree with about every thing he believes on this subject. He IS polite. And that is a good thing.

 

[buickanddeere]

When I was a Deputy Sheriff about 3 lifetimes ago, we were required to carry off duty also. Also anywhere in the state.

I will say one nice thing about our Canadian brother, even though I disagree with about every thing he believes on this subject. He IS polite. And that is a good thing.

Which Canadian ? There are a bunch on here.

 

[CAS300D]

I live in NJ, there is no such thing as a CC unless your a judge or PI.

 

[k0ua]

Which Canadian ? There are a bunch on here.

jix......

 

[Garandman]

Yes, that is the current reading by a conservative supreme court. It is the first time in 200 plus years that SCOTUS took such a position and it is subject to change with future courts. Recall that SCOTUS in the past supported slavery and disenfranchisement of women and minorities. Change will come though probably not before a few thousand more children are bumped off by "well regulated" militia members.

So what do you propose to counter that?

According to BPD officers I've interviewed, 80-90% of firearm violence in Boston is due to criminal gangs. Despite many, many laws, gun fatalities are up and the use of guns in assaults is also up. And we have virtually every law there is.