Got an interesting letter from the RCMP today

[Scooby074]

Again hearsay and scuttlebut.
A readable copy of the letter so that one could contact the RCMP officer to get exact details would be useful.
A copy of an email from someone at the RCMP or Everlast explaining the exact details would also be useful.
As for the "They have continued to sell the products regardless of the findings" if they found and fixed the problem 2 years ago, why shouldn't they continue to sell new welders? Should they close their doors and fire all their employees for a problem that they have fixed?

As for your link problems:

YOU posted the following link:

http://forums.everlastgenerators.com...3832/#post53832

Its missing some important parts of the URL. It should look like this:

http://forums.everlastgenerators.com/forums/showthread.php/5030-Canada-Recall-Notice?p=53891#post53891

Notice the missing

/forums/showthread.php/5030-Canada-Recall-Notice?p=

in your link? That's why its not working, you missed part of the link, not anything that Everlast did.
I joined the Everlast forum last night and had no problems accessing the link in Mark's post at any time.

Aaron Z

Hearsay and scuttlebut?

So the person quoted who overall likes his everlast welder, but now has to dispose of his welder because of the recall is lying too? Or did I somehow manage to travel back in time and create a log in to a bicycle forum just to discredit everlast?


Again... as of the time I posted, the link did not work. Not only for me, but for others, on other forums, including ones where I am not even a member. If there was a problem in the link I copied, sorry, it does appear to have been truncated. However on the forum where it was copied from it did not work either, while it did work earlier in the day. Others have had the same experience. Somebody moved or changed permissions on that thread, mark said as much.


Marks link in the previous thread was NOT truncated and it also linked back to a log in page. IE: it was no longer a publicly viewable thread but a user level or higher privileged thread. Since I have no interest in logging into the everlast forums I could not confirm if it was viewable while logged in.

I can assure you that the thread was not publicly viewable at the time as it is now. Believe it or not frankly I dont care.

 

[Scooby074]

13 pages of wasted Space :confused3:

Fred H.

Yet you had to add to it.

 

[Rock knocker]

Interesting.

If not UL, are any technical safety certifications required on welders sold in the USA ?

Rgds, D.

NEMA or UL is required for professional use, as well as ANSI

29 CFR 1910.254 - Arc welding and cutting. | LII / Legal Information Institute

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

Interesting.

If not UL, are any technical safety certifications required on welders sold in the USA ?

Rgds, D.

Not to my knowledge...and in part why it is a moot point in some respects with individual purchase. The US government cannot require companies (mfgr) adhere to a private organizations standards like that as it would be showing favoritism. That's a main difference. Now a purchasing company will have to meet osha rules or insurance rules about standards, but that can be met by the purchasing company as UL and other companies have separate programs for buyers who buy product abroad to suit a need or something that isn't registered with UL...say some machine custom made in Germany, but even then they can only enforce the standard, not the company used to certify.. The responsibility rests with the buyer to ensure they comply with any rules and even keep any record of it as I understand it.

Coincidentally there are multiple organizations out there that company's can use for certification. The standard gap in the US and Canada is growing too. Duty cycle now in Canada (this year) has to be rated at 47 degrees C instead of the old and accepted standard of 40 degrees C. I believe the US standard is actually itself quite high although many companies adhere to the 40. I'm not sure if this means company's that had the old rating approved must recert or not. This is out of my field and am relying on source info I have read.

 

[3930dave]

NEMA or UL is required for professional use, as well as ANSI

29 CFR 1910.254 - Arc welding and cutting. | LII / Legal Information Institute

Thanks RK.... I was getting lost in this debate in terms of how certifications are administered, and was beginning to wonder if welders are sold w/o any certs at all down your way.....

So, if I get this now, in the USA you need to meet the certs you list, or a manufacturer can choose to only sell a welder for non-industrial use (recreational or perhaps farm) ?

Rgds, D.

 

[lilranch2001]

The US and Canada are virtual partners in this type of legislation. Saying it is something uniquely Canadian is incorrect.

Virtual partners....

You do of course mean, Canada wants some stupid label surrounded by stupid hash marks and the US Sucks Canada's.... well you know
Personally I never thought I would say this but I cant wait for GHS labeling, at least we will finally have a world standard.

 

[tcartwri]

Virtual partners....

You do of course mean, Canada wants some stupid label surrounded by stupid hash marks and the US Sucks Canada's.... well you know
Personally I never thought I would say this but I cant wait for GHS labeling, at least we will finally have a world standard.

We are each others biggest trading partners. We have to be compliant. To be otherwise would be foolish.

 

[lilranch2001]

As a Canadian, I am sure that is how you see it.
As an US citizen who felt we had a perfectly adequate labeling system before Canada forced WHMIS down our throats, I strongly disagree

 

[tcartwri]

As a Canadian, I am sure that is how you see it.
As an US citizen who felt we had a perfectly adequate labeling system before Canada forced WHMIS down our throats, I strongly disagree

WHMIS is just an extension of the MSDS documentation.

 

[3930dave]

Not to my knowledge...and in part why it is a moot point in some respects. The US government cannot require company's adhere to a private organizations standards like that as it would be showing favoritism. That's a main difference. FWIW, if I understood correctly, the units in question were inspected by CSA.

Coincidentally there are multiple organizations out there that company's can use. The standard gap in the US and Canada is growing too. Duty cycle now in Canada (this year) has to be rated at 47 degrees C instead of the old and accepted standard of 40 degrees C. I believe the US standard is actually less than 40 itself although many companies adhere to the 40.

Thanks Mark. I went to the wrong school (technical), so that logic would likely makes more sense if I had gone to Law School.

I was about to ponder.... "If all manufacturers have to meet the same standard, how is that favouritism ?".... but I suspect you refer to having somebody other than the govt having a monopoly on administering a standard.

I prefer to focus on getting the engineering/work done right (not a comment, one way or another, about Everlast), but not for the first time I'm reminded that govts are essentially run by lawyers, not geeks like me....

I'm getting tired this time of night, so perhaps that's what it is.... but seeing Canada as pro-privatization vs. the USA's perspective is a bit surreal at the moment.....

Is the logic:

Govt can't do this efficiently, AND, we don't want to hand over Standards control to a Private Company, THEREFORE we just won't bother regulating this ?

If that is the case, then you can create an environment where lawyers end up reacting to problems, instead of technical people preventing problems.... or do I have this all wrong ?

Rgds, D.