Planters Oliver Cultipacker Repair

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Howdy friend! Thanks for the information. Now I see where you come by those fabrication skills you have! Did you folks get snow yesterday and today? BTW. There's a farm equipment consignment auction just across the mighty Ohio just south of Apple Grove (near P. Pleasant), WV. About 90 minutes from me through the ridges, via 35/817 for a few miles, then straight across to old rt. 2. Starts at 10 am.
 
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That's a good idea, Ken. I probably could go with 6' and pull that without too much strain on the old 140. And seeing as how I bought the implement locally for $175, be nice to recoup some or most of the cost. Thanks for the recommendations.

You are welcome Mark. Ken Sweet
 
   / Oliver Cultipacker Repair #13  
Howdy friend! Thanks for the information. Now I see where you come by those fabrication skills you have! Did you folks get snow yesterday and today? BTW. There's a farm equipment consignment auction just across the mighty Ohio just south of Apple Grove (near P. Pleasant), WV. About 90 minutes from me through the ridges, via 35/817 for a few miles, then straight across to old rt. 2. Starts at 10 am.

Hey..!! Yeah learned a lot back then. I was the swamper on projects, so was on top of about everything he built. Lucky to afford a welder then... No torch, everything was cut with the welder using 6011 rod. Still have the carbon arc torch used to heat and bend.

Would love to hit a few auctions, but the taxman, fuel guy, and insurance guy hit me pretty hard recently. Don't really need anything, but would love to have a Midland Pasture Dream, or Zip Seeder. Saw a really sweet Zip Seeder for $500.00 on Lexington, KY. CL back when the snow was on. Stewed about it for about a week, then called to see if they would take half down, and pay the rest when I could come get it. The lady said they'd sold it the day before... Think long, you think wrong... :(

We have a couple decent consignment auctions close here, and it usually brings in decent stuff. Anymore, with the price of scrap, most just haul it in for that.
 
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The only reason I'm able to go is that I sold a bumper pull horse trailer and a chain saw a few weeks back; put a paper clip and a note "For auction" on the money, and gave it to the missus to hold for me.
 
   / Oliver Cultipacker Repair #15  
With the way the economy is, I bet there will be lots of "stuff" there. Buyer's too... Just don't be wavin' at 'yer bud's across the other side of the crowd..., LOL...!!
 
   / Oliver Cultipacker Repair #16  
These guys are giving you good advice on getting that cultipacker back into shape. You will definitely want to re-line the bearings with the proper material. The best material to use here is White Oak. If you use the, easier to get, Red Oak, it will absorb water and swell. The Red Oak will also rot away in less than 1 season. White Oak will not absorb any water, and will likely last your lifetime or more. I hear of folks using store-bought, sealed ball bearing on cultipackers. I believe that is a dumb wast of money, when simple, easily made White-Oak liners wil work so well, and are usually what was supplied new on them. It might be a little harder to find, and possibly cost a little more than Red Oak, but that is not significant, considering the tiny amount that you will need. I also like to run a tube to the inside, near the center of the bearing and a grease fitting on the cap at the other end of the tube, so that I can get some grease into the bearings after I get done using the cultipacker. That grease will extend the life of the bearings even further. As far as the frame goes, it is no problem to build a new one from angle iron (I usually use 3"x1/8"-1/4", or whatever I have laying around). If you lack a welder, it is easy enough to bolt the frame together, with (2) 1/4" bolts or so at each joint. An oxy-ace torch set, and a welder will simplify and speed up the frame-building job a bit, but are not necessary, as a drill , with a sharp bit, and a bunch of 1/4" - 1/2" bolts, nuts and lock-washers will "get her done", and it will be easier to rebuild if you break it that way. Af far as the size goes, you definetly don't want to go too wide. There are 4 reasons for this: First wider is heavier, and bulkier, making transport and storage more difficult. Second, wider takes more hp to operate, although cultipackers generally draw little hp, compared to most implements of similar width, and your tractor likely has plenty to pull your's at its current width. Third, and probably most significant, is the fact that the wider the cultipacker, the poorer it will get the intended, ground-packing job done. The narrow cultipacker will more closely follow changing contours in the field, while the wider one will leave more gaps, as it spans over rather than rides down in like the narrow one does. Finally, making the cultipacker narrower (I think 6 foot is about perfect for you), should leave you with plenty of spare wheels, to keep for your own use or to dump on craigslist. It looks like you have the two most popular size wheels and, in good condition, they fetch a big buck and are in very high demand on. Them old American-made wheels often bring even more money than brand new Chinese wheels, which are all that are available brand-new, these days. You have there an implement that is in extremely high demand these days. It takes a lot of luck to find them cheap. I was extremely lucky to find a few of them for little or no money over the past 10 years or so. I remember getting one (8 ft Mcormick) in exchange for a $14 case of beer. That is the one I rebuilt, cut down to 7 feet, and still use on my own fields. It works great behind a 3 point, 6 ft drag (making it into a "cultimulcher") and use that just prior to planting corn. I also use it, by itself, To push in clover, wheat, turnip, oat, and rye seed. It always does a good job for all of that. Another time I found a 4 ft Brillion for $25 at a local garage sale. I relined the bearings on that one (maybe a 2 hr job), and sold it on Craigslist, in a day, for many times what I paid. Then there was the time I loaded my 3/4 ton pickup with as much old farm equipment as I could carry, including a 10 foot Brillion cultipacker, at a friend's place, who charged me $50 for the load, which is considerably less than scrap value. I rebuilt that one into a 6 footer and sold it for big bucks on craigslist, used some of the wheels to repair broken ones on my 7 footer, and the 4 footer, and I saved a few of the leftover wheels to keep around as spares.
 
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   / Oliver Cultipacker Repair #17  
I just finished welding a broken part off the engine block of one of my old tractors. Used a stainless steel filler rod called Super Missile rod (1/8" rod, 90 amps, DC+).

Since I had no way to preheat the block, I used the other method where you control heat input to the crack-sensitive cast iron by running short beads (1" or so) and peening the bead until it cools down to near room temperature.

I used one of those inexpensive infrared thermometers to measure the temperature of the block as it cooled down. Temp never exceeded 300F and there were no cracks in the welds or in the cast iron. The method is slow, but you do the best you can with what you have.

I peened the bead using my pneumatic needle scaler (Harbor Freight). Initially I banged around on the cooling bead with an air chisel but went to the needle scaler since the air chisel was overkill for peening.

Good luck
 
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Hope to get some good deals. I need a small tiller, a 4' tube gate, an a concrete mixer (preferably gas powered). I've learned the hard way to be still during active auctions; wait til you hear "Sold!" to scratch your nose.
 
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First thing I'm a curious 'bout is them fellers that traded you an 8' McCormick cultipacker, was they already drinkin' for you struck up the trade? Years ago, got myself an old but high-dollar F-style mandolin in trade for a factory-made Kentucky and $150 boot from an old boy that was sippin' whisky and playin' bluegrass. (Called him up the next day sober, but he said he know'd what he was a doin' and just liked the sound of mine better. Go figure.)
Back to the packer; you given me lots of good info, and I appreciate the time you took. I do have a 220 buzz box welder and tanks and torches, but I've not done much welding since vo-tech class in high school (I'm 55!). If I want to shorten this implement, and maybe use a single rather than double roller, I need to shorten the axle. Do I cut one end of the axle or a 2' section from the middle? that is, is it ncessary to keep factoru ends on the ends of the axles nearest the bearings? And each of the four (4) bearing housings have a grease plug, which I've cleaned and pumped 12-15 pumps of red grease into. (Are the bearings inside these housings actually wood?) My next question is about repairing the end caps, which are both broken in two (2) places on each original Oliver cast-iron end caps, or supports connecting the rollers with the pull frame. If I can remove, w/o cutting, the original nuts and bolts that attach end caps to axle/bearing housings, I could fabricate (or have fabricated) 2 steel plates, a 1/2" or so thick, to reinforce the newly rewelded cast end plates. Can I drill the cast-iron w/o cracking further, and if so do I need a special bit? Or can I use a torch to burn a whole? No experience w/cast, just cutting and welding steel, and that was back in the mid-70s. In advance, thanks!
 
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That's interesting. Did you flush up the joint where broken or leave any space at all in using the stainless steel rod? And just a regular bead? As I'm only a shade-tree welder, and most of my experience 3.5 decades past, what is peening? My beads usually look like a bad gallbladder scar made by a first-year surgeon with a hangover and bad eyesight. Thanks!
 
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