Oil & Fuel Dealer gave me the wrong filter - need short term guidance!

[hiker88]

I have a CK30 gear. I'm in the middle of my 50 hour service - tractor is right at 50 hours. I just drained the transmission and when I opened the box to the transmission filter, the filter itself says "filter HST". The box just says "filter hydraulic" or maybe I would have caught it. The HST filter appears to be an inch shorter than what is on my transmission, so it definitely looks like the wrong filter. Anyway, I have a load of snow to clean up from the blizzard last night, and I don't know if I should just leave the old filter on, and refill with new fluid, or maybe one of you know if I can get a filter from Napa or whatever is open on Sunday. I have my Subaru that I can get up my driveway with. The dealer is closed of course and they are 40 minutes away anyhow.

Part of me thinks I should put the new hydraulic fluid in, and then go back to the dealer and make him give me the right filter and hydraulic fluid tomorrow. Means I have to replace it all twice though. Any thought?

 

[RickB]

Put the new fluid in and get the correct filter tomorrow. Don't expect the dealer to give you a second change of hydraulic fluid.

 

[Bird]

Sometimes there are more than one filter, and more than one length, both of which work just fine. Now I'm not saying that's what you have in this case, but I figure more than likely it is. If it were me . . . I'd put that new filter on and if it fits and doesn't leak, I'd go on with my work. Then I'd stop by later and talk to the dealer. If he gives you a new filter of the same length as your old one, can't you change just the filter without changing the fluid again?

 

[brain55]

Sometimes there are more than one filter, and more than one length, both of which work just fine. Now I'm not saying that's what you have in this case, but I figure more than likely it is. If it were me . . . I'd put that new filter on and if it fits and doesn't leak, I'd go on with my work. Then I'd stop by later and talk to the dealer. If he gives you a new filter of the same length as your old one, can't you change just the filter without changing the fluid again?

Yes many times even the manufacturer replacement filter can be slightly different than the factory installed filter.

Brian

 

[hiker88]

Sometimes there are more than one filter, and more than one length, both of which work just fine. Now I'm not saying that's what you have in this case, but I figure more than likely it is. If it were me . . . I'd put that new filter on and if it fits and doesn't leak, I'd go on with my work. Then I'd stop by later and talk to the dealer. If he gives you a new filter of the same length as your old one, can't you change just the filter without changing the fluid again?

Thanks for the idea. I checked the part number on the filter they gave me T2195-38031 and it's definitely for the HST. I need T2185-38031...

 

[Bird]

Thanks for the idea. I checked the part number on the filter they gave me T2195-38031 and it's definitely for the HST. I need T2185-38031...

Of course, I certainly don't know what the difference is between those 2 filters, or whether the 2185 has been superceded by the 2195.

 

[murphy1244]

the difference is about 85.00. the HST filter is big bucks but the hydraulic filter is about 8.00.

 

[RG1]

On one of the other sites I visit, we are always talking about replacement filters etc and what other brands types might work/fit. NAPA sells better filters than many OEMs offer, and usually for less. Here is a link that might allow you to punch in your machine make, model and OEM filter number and then cross reference it to one of the filters they provide. Or, if you can get out to one locally, take yours in and they will almost always be able to match it up with one at least as good as what you have, or even better than what you have. IHTH-
Transmission Filters | Filters | NAPA Filters

 

[RickB]

On one of the other sites I visit, we are always talking about replacement filters etc and what other brands types might work/fit. NAPA sells better filters than many OEMs offer, and usually for less. Here is a link that might allow you to punch in your machine make, model and OEM filter number and then cross reference it to one of the filters they provide. Or, if you can get out to one locally, take yours in and they will almost always be able to match it up with one at least as good as what you have, or even better than what you have. IHTH-
Transmission Filters | Filters | NAPA Filters

Exactly how is a WIX filter "better" than an OEM spec filter? Cheaper? Sometime, not always. Easier to buy due to location/business hours? maybe. Better? Why would a manufacturer sell a deficient filter? Your claim makes no sense. I've seen WIX hydraulic filters that were "better" (smaller micron rating) be too restrictive and cause noise and poor performance caused by pump cavitation.

 

[hiker88]

Thanks for all the responses guys. I gave up on it for the day. Napa had a match on my part number, but said their manufacturer isn't making one yet. I changed the engine\crankcase oil and the front axle. I'll make the trip back up to the dealer tomorrow and get the right filter.

Luckily, my wife's outback will go through about 16 inches of snow, so the fact that I couldn't clean up today didn't slow her down.

Thanks again.

 

[RG1]

It makes plenty of sense. Did you actually read my post or just rush to judgement? Try re-reading it. You can answer your own questions. Around here, NAPA sells more than just WIX filters.

 

[murphy1244]

why did you get a HST Filter for a gear machine?

 

[hiker88]

why did you get a HST Filter for a gear machine?

Dealer gave me the wrong filter.

 

[RickB]

It makes plenty of sense. Did you actually read my post or just rush to judgement? Try re-reading it. You can answer your own questions. Around here, NAPA sells more than just WIX filters.

"NAPA sells better filters than many OEMs offer"

That's what I read. I'm pretty certain that is a direct quote. I'm not confused or rushed, just calling you out on a statement that has no basis in fact.

 

[RG1]

"NAPA sells better filters than many OEMs offer"

That's what I read. I'm pretty certain that is a direct quote. I'm not confused or rushed, just calling you out on a statement that has no basis in fact.

NAPA does sell filters that are better than many OEM's offer. I didn't say all, I said many, and that is true. Lots of guys in the lawn care business buy them there for that reason. Has plenty of basis in fact. You just may not chose to believe it. Fine with me.

 

[RickB]

NAPA does sell filters that are better than many OEM's offer. I didn't say all, I said many, and that is true. Lots of guys in the lawn care business buy them there for that reason. Has plenty of basis in fact. You just may not chose to believe it. Fine with me.

That nails it down nicely. A bunch of lawn mower drivers drinking the NAPA Kool-Aid become filter experts. I'm convinced.
I copied and pasted that quote of yours. It is EXACTLY what you posted. Verbatim. "NAPA sells better filters than many OEMs offer"

It's a claim that NAPA itself isn't foolish enough to make.

 

[RG1]

That nails it down nicely. A bunch of lawn mower drivers drinking the NAPA Kool-Aid become filter experts. I'm convinced.
I copied and pasted that quote of yours. It is EXACTLY what you posted. Verbatim. "NAPA sells better filters than many OEMs offer"

It's a claim that NAPA itself isn't foolish enough to make.

Good grief dude! You are acting coming off like a real jackass. You are obviously talking out you ear here. Otherwise you'd have enough common sense to know that heavy commercial ZTR's that run 1200-1500 lbs are about as hard on hydro fluid and filters as anything made short of possibly heavy construction equipment. All the back and forth direction changes, side hill mowing (which is really hard on fluid due to the heat that it builds doing that type of mowing) and on and on. How arrogant you are coming across as. Pro lawn guys care as much about their equipment as anyone. No kool-aid drinking going on. Just business pros who know what works and what doesn't. Many of them are also mechanics.

Try putting on your glasses and read it again. "NAPA sells better filters than many OEMs offer" That's true.

I have to wonder if maybe you own a small equipment dealership and are afraid of losing business if others find out that they can get as good a filter at NAPA as they can from you. No other legitimate reason for one guy to get so wound up over a comment on a public forum.

 

[murphy1244]

Good grief dude! You are acting coming off like a real jackass. You are obviously talking out you ear here. Otherwise you'd have enough common sense to know that heavy commercial ZTR's that run 1200-1500 lbs are about as hard on hydro fluid and filters as anything made short of possibly heavy construction equipment. All the back and forth direction changes, side hill mowing (which is really hard on fluid due to the heat that it builds doing that type of mowing) and on and on. How arrogant you are coming across as. Pro lawn guys care as much about their equipment as anyone. No kool-aid drinking going on. Just business pros who know what works and what doesn't. Many of them are also mechanics.

Try putting on your glasses and read it again. "NAPA sells better filters than many OEMs offer" That's true.

I have to wonder if maybe you own a small equipment dealership and are afraid of losing business if others find out that they can get as good a filter at NAPA as they can from you. No other legitimate reason for one guy to get so wound up over a comment on a public forum.

They will remove your post for name calling and cussing, no need for that. Rick has been around here for a long time giving good advice and tec tips. No need for personal attacks we are all after the same thing.

 

[hiker88]

So...

Got the filter from the dealer this morning. Topped of the fluid and did a major snow cleanup around the compound, and brought in a couple weeks worth of wood. Funny how I've gone 30 something years without a tractor and now I count on it so much.

 

[murphy1244]

So...

Got the filter from the dealer this morning. Topped of the fluid and did a major snow cleanup around the compound, and brought in a couple weeks worth of wood. Funny how I've gone 30 something years without a tractor and now I count on it so much.

Its kinda catchy too, soon you will have another tractor. Then a third.