Price Check Kioti DK40SE HST

[k0ua]

It is not like we are ganging up on you and saying get the DK40 or anything like that, ,,, but just get the DK40 and you will be a happy camper, and telling us what great guys we are for helping you, and stuff like that... yep..

 

[murphy1244]

Ask James how to do the remote Grapple hook up.

 

[k0ua]

Ask James how to do the remote Grapple hook up.

As soon as he buys a tractor

 

[alancamby]

Maybe this is a loaded question, and PM me if you want. But do you feel that Kioti is just as good as Kubota. Kubota has 4 warehouses in the US for parts, and (what they call) 2 super warehouses in Japan. The Kioti dealer did mention that from time to time he has had trouble with delays on parts.

And I want to keep this unit for the rest of my life. So engine reliability is important. I feel that there will be more support 20 years from now with Kubota. maybe not from Kubota, but maybe more parts from tractors that can be parted out. Kind of like how parts are so easy to get for 8N's

Does Daedong make engines for others. Say skidsteers, refrigerated trailers, generator? I just don't know. Besides tractors, I can't find what else they do.

I have looked all over the Kioti's and they do look excellent.

It's just the little things and details that I am looking at.

I did briefly look at Mahindra. I saw seats that were cracked, faded plastic, rotted rubber, rubber that had turned yellow???
Just poor fit and finish. And this was on the Japanese and Korea units.

 

[k0ua]

Apparently their engines are used in other devices..

KIOTI Tractor (pronounced /kaɪˈoʊtiː/ "coyote"), is the trade name for Daedong tractors in North America and Europe. Daedong Industrial Co., Ltd., which is based in Daegu, South Korea, was founded in 1947, producing its first tractor in 1968. In 1993, Daedong expanded into the US market with Daedong-USA, based in Wendell, North Carolina, and established the KIOTI Tractor brand. Daedong produces tractors, combines, rice transplanters, UTV’s and tillers, as well as engines used in industry and power generation. Presently, Daedong markets over 30 different tractor models in the United States, ranging from 22 to 90 horsepower, as well as a number of attachments andimplements.

I have not needed any parts other than the normal maint things. So I can't say. I think they are quality wise, every bit as good as a Kubota. They have a gear and transmission facility, and a chainmaking facility.. I assume the make stuff there for others as well. As you know industry has not been around as long in Korea as Japan, but it is coming on fast as you can see in the automobile industry, shipbuilding, and heavy machinery.

KIOTI provides comprehensive after-sale parts service and delivery through its expanding network of trained and certified KIOTI Tractor Dealerships throughout North America.

Your local Authorized KIOTI Tractor Dealer is qualified and equipped to efficiently diagnose and repair your KIOTI tractor or UTV and stocks most replacement parts on-site. For parts not in-stock, dealerships have rapid and convenient access to quality KIOTI parts through the streamlined Parts Fulfillment Warehouse in Wendell, NC.

Looks to me like there is one Warehouse But notice they said it was "rapid and convenient".

 

[alancamby]

I hope no one took my last post the wrong way, but that is what is going on in my mind.

If I planned to trade in 5 years I would not be so concerned.

I do thank you all.

 

[murphy1244]

Kioti is now where Kubota was 20 years ago. They will be here a long time as they are getting into the AG market now.

 

[blucoondawg]

I have the DK50SE which is on the same chassis as the DK40SE and has the same loader, I love it and as far as I am concerned when talking tractors you want more weight not less, weight is the biggest contributing factor in being able to use implements, many of the old small farm tractors are less horsepower yet they are heavier allowing the tractor to still be able to pull some larger implements albeit at a lower speed. I don't have trouble with my turning radius, if I can't quite make a turn it is simple with the hydro trans to quick back up a smidge then finish the turn.

As far as the brand, Daedong makes tractors under the names, Daedong, Kioit, Bobcat(recently discontinued), McCormick, and Landini. For example my tractor the DK50SE is identical to the Bobcat CT450, they are all simply a different color sheet metal. Here is another thread with a little info on daedong:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kioti-buying-pricing/239070-daedong-engines-any-good.html

I don't have anything against Kubota as I have never owned one but I have read posts on here about their down sides such as jerky 3pt, and when I was tractor shopping I wanted as much tractor as possible for my available money, which wasn't much, so that put Kubota, John Deere, NH, MF out of the ball park. I don't agree with paying high dollar for a tractor because it has a certain badge on it simply because of "good dealer network", I think all brands have some crappy dealers.

The dealer I bought through was 2 and a half hour drive from me, I have never went back to them for anything, and lucky for me a dealer with multiple locations near me in NorthCentral WI picked up the Kioti line after Bobcat quit the compact tractor line as they are identical with the exception of the loader, however I hope not to have need of a dealer. With the advent of the internet I don't think part availability is much issue anymore and after the 4 year warranty period is up I doubt I would have the dealer work on my tractor anyways as there are plenty of good diesel mechanics around who don't charge as much as the dealer.

I am currently on 5 and a half acres of high land hardwood with an adjoining 12 acres my cousin owns of the same land type, it is tight quarters in the woods and I get around fine, I am glad I bought the DK50SE rather than a 30 or 35 horse tractor as was my original idea.

I also have not found anything short of a massive root ball from a stump I dug out with my 9ft Woods backhoe which I couldn't lift, however I could push it so that's what I did then rolled it where I wanted it. My old boss has a 2004ish NH 30 HP and that loader was next to useless, it couldn't even lift the front of the tractor off the ground with down pressure, I knew from the start I didn't want anything like that.

I say if money is equal or close, when talking tractors go bigger and you can't go wrong, esp when bigger is also going to be nicer, but then I'm quite biased, good luck tractor hunting

 

[IslandTractor]

Looks like we both answered with about the same thing, see above.

Yep...great minds....

I hadn't seen your post when I replied.

 

[IslandTractor]

I really like the idea of a Grapple.

Since I am looking at more of the CK or L3800, Grapple weight becomes a concern. Some of those things weigh well over 600lbs.

The EA 50" Wicked Grapple is impressive at less then 300 lbs. I can't find another grapple that comes close.
The best grapple in the world is useless if my loader can't pick it up. Some brands, at around 600lbs, will be half or more of the loader capacity.

Yes, despite all the chest thumping by my testosterone poisoned DK40 buddies, a 300lb grapple on a L3800 or CK35 would be a perfect match. Indeed, if budget is tight, the fact that you could get a CK plus grapple for less than the L3800 makes the Kioti a no brainer in my book. I had my current 300lb grapple on my old CK20 for several years and did a huge amount of work with it. If you are not clearing land and lifting square bales rather than large round bales then 1100lbs of lift is perfectly serviceable.

Think through whether you are willing to do your own oil and fluid changes. If so you really just need a good dealer by phone as the UPS guy can bring you supplies and you are very unlikely to need the dealer for much else. My dealer is 300 miles and a ferry trip away. My DK and CK never needed to go back to the dealer. Even warranty issues (seat belt retractor and cracked fuel bowl) were handled by the UPS guy easily. If you have a cell phone and some basic tools the dealer can talk you through lots of issues. And, at least with the DK, there is a superb maintenance manual available for about $80 that no one should be without.

 

[alancamby]

Yes, despite all the chest thumping by my testosterone poisoned DK40 buddies, a 300lb grapple on a L3800 or CK35 would be a perfect match. Indeed, if budget is tight, the fact that you could get a CK plus grapple for less than the L3800 makes the Kioti a no brainer in my book. I had my current 300lb grapple on my old CK20 for several years and did a huge amount of work with it. If you are not clearing land and lifting square bales rather than large round bales then 1100lbs of lift is perfectly serviceable.

Think through whether you are willing to do your own oil and fluid changes. If so you really just need a good dealer by phone as the UPS guy can bring you supplies and you are very unlikely to need the dealer for much else. My dealer is 300 miles and a ferry trip away. My DK and CK never needed to go back to the dealer. Even warranty issues (seat belt retractor and cracked fuel bowl) were handled by the UPS guy easily. If you have a cell phone and some basic tools the dealer can talk you through lots of issues. And, at least with the DK, there is a superb maintenance manual available for about $80 that no one should be without.

Thanks for the info on the grapple. Good to know that the little CK20 can handle that grapple. Makes me feel better about it on a Ck or L tractor.
I did look up the loader specs for a L2550 in my 1987 Kubota book. The Loader is rated at 880lbs at the loader pins. That would be considered pretty poor by todays standards. I would think that a lot of work could still be done with it. This tractor is very close in physical size to the CK and L3200/L3800.

Kioti does not seem to give much detail on the loader lift specs.
The L3200/L3800 are both rated for 1131lbs at the pins at full height. Kubota goes a little further with their specs to show a lift capacity of 1490lbs at the pivot pins with the loader at 1500mm (59"). I would think that most loader work that I will be doing will not need to be lifted higher then 59". 500mm (20") forward of pins and 1500mm (59") high I can lift 1182lbs.

Is your grapple the Wicked 50"?
EA shows it is for tractors up to 35HP.
Have you bent anything on the grapple with the weight and power of the DK40?

 

[k0ua]

Thanks for the info on the grapple. Good to know that the little CK20 can handle that grapple. Makes me feel better about it on a Ck or L tractor.
I did look up the loader specs for a L2550 in my 1987 Kubota book. The Loader is rated at 880lbs at the loader pins. That would be considered pretty poor by todays standards. I would think that a lot of work could still be done with it. This tractor is very close in physical size to the CK and L3200/L3800.

Kioti does not seem to give much detail on the loader lift specs.
The L3200/L3800 are both rated for 1131lbs at the pins at full height. Kubota goes a little further with their specs to show a lift capacity of 1490lbs at the pivot pins with the loader at 1500mm (59"). I would think that most loader work that I will be doing will not need to be lifted higher then 59". 500mm (20") forward of pins and 1500mm (59") high I can lift 1182lbs.

Is your grapple the Wicked 50"?
EA shows it is for tractors up to 35HP.
Have you bent anything on the grapple with the weight and power of the DK40?

Alan as you can see I have the wicked 50 inch. and it seems to be very tough. It is built with 90,000 psi steel not just the usual A36 mild steel that a lot of grapples are built with. I haven't twisted or bent anything at all. Now I don't have the DK-40, I have the DK35se, a discontinued model, but as I said the weight and size is basically the same within an inch and within 200 lbs weight. Obviously the engine is smaller. By the way both Kubota and Kioti will have some new models out in the spring, I believe the L3800 will be going away, and some new model with tier 4 final specs will be taking its place, and rumor has it that Kioti will have a new 35 to 40 horse class tractor soon also as there is a gap in their lineup. These new tractors are very likely to be more expensive though. Islands, grapple is a Millizoni, 48 inch that is no longer made. He hasn't torn it up yet either! As far as I know.

 

[IslandTractor]

Thanks for the info on the grapple. Good to know that the little CK20 can handle that grapple. Makes me feel better about it on a Ck or L tractor.
I did look up the loader specs for a L2550 in my 1987 Kubota book. The Loader is rated at 880lbs at the loader pins. That would be considered pretty poor by todays standards. I would think that a lot of work could still be done with it. This tractor is very close in physical size to the CK and L3200/L3800.

Kioti does not seem to give much detail on the loader lift specs.
The L3200/L3800 are both rated for 1131lbs at the pins at full height. Kubota goes a little further with their specs to show a lift capacity of 1490lbs at the pivot pins with the loader at 1500mm (59"). I would think that most loader work that I will be doing will not need to be lifted higher then 59". 500mm (20") forward of pins and 1500mm (59") high I can lift 1182lbs.

Is your grapple the Wicked 50"?
EA shows it is for tractors up to 35HP.
Have you bent anything on the grapple with the weight and power of the DK40?

Kioti does have pretty full specs on their loaders. For example, I believe (from memory) that the CK35 can lift about 1100-1200lbs at the pivot points. The DK40 lifts a bit more than 2700lbs (which is why we all love it).

My grapple is a Millonzi Light Duty 48" which is supposed to weigh 280lbs per the now defunct manufacturer (They were doing well with many satisfied grapple customers but the owner died four or five years ago). I have beaten the crap out of it first with the CK20 (nary a scratch to the grapple) and with my DK40 (managed to bend the tips of the upper tines when I ripped the boulder below out of the ground, boulder weighed over a ton and was clamped just on the tip of the grapple as I did not know it was a big boulder (iceberg phenomenon)). Only repairs in eight years of land clearing have been to heat and straighten the tips of the upper tines and then reinforcing those tips with gussets. In retrospect the upper tines were really not sufficiently supported at the tips as there was no gusset for the last six inches or so. I pulled the upper arm off the grapple, threw it in my car trunk and had a welding shop do the repair and strengthening for $50. Not bad considering all the abuse I have heaped on that grapple.

I would not hesitate for one minute to use a EA Wicked 50 on the CK35 or L3800. Frankly, it would do fine with a DK40 too but the manufacturer is just rating the grapple conservatively for business reasons.

The key point with grapple use is to never do anything that TWISTS the grapple. Always lift or push with the load as centered as possible. If you do that the grapple is WAY stronger than any CUT FEL.

 

[Coyote machine]

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...ttachment-pick-logs-out-pile-igland-gr-20.jpg

Above is a picture of my GR-20 Igland log grapple, 354#s, strong as bull, opens to 42" high, 36" wide. It can grab entire trees, huge boulders, and would take an immense amount of force to bend any part of it. In fact, the FEL would bend way before any part of the grapple would.

Here's the thread I pulled the above link from showing the grapple pic. I added expanded metal to create a cage effect so branches and other items could not get to my grille. Refer to page 2 of the thread. The Igland rep for N.A. chimed in and supplied the picture.


http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/299137-attachment-pick-logs-out-pile.html

 

[IslandTractor]

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...ttachment-pick-logs-out-pile-igland-gr-20.jpg

Above is a picture of my GR-20 Igland log grapple, 354#s, strong as bull, opens to 42" high, 36" wide. It can grab entire trees, huge boulders, and would take an immense amount of force to bend any part of it. In fact, the FEL would bend way before any part of the grapple would.

Here's the thread I pulled the above link from showing the grapple pic. I added expanded metal to create a cage effect so branches and other items could not get to my grille. Refer to page 2 of the thread. The Igland rep for N.A. chimed in and supplied the picture.


http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/299137-attachment-pick-logs-out-pile.html

Of note, that is a special purpose grapple optomized for only one thing, picking up trees and logs. I have no doubt about it's ability to do that but it would be next to useless in clearing brush, picking up firewood or other general purpose grappling duties.

 

[alancamby]

Hey guys,
How are the owners manuals for the Kioti's?

I have the original L2550 and I feel it is a good manual. Some areas I wish there were more information.
Take the hydraulic block were you tie in for fluid power for the loader or other attachments. I think they could have added a little more info to that section. I don' t have the Kubota loader manual, maybe it has the details I was looking for.

Just like Kubota, kioti does not have their manuals available for PDF download.
So is it a good informative manual?
Do you get a parts breakdown/exploded view.
Wiring diagrams?
Is a service manual available?

I might ask my dealer of I can see these items.
I did talk on the phone today with the kioti dealer. He is putting together another DK40 as we speak.
I told him I would like to look at it early next week. Unfortunately the Dk40 I looked at in the lot has a lot of corrosion on all the yellow zinc parts. He thinks that the machine had a good dose of salt spray in transit to his dealership. If you lived around these parts you would understand why so much salt is on the road this year.
I have looked over the second DK that is in the crate and it does not have this corrosion.


Thanks

 

[k0ua]

The operators manual is just that, an operators manual. There are spelling errors, and some evidence of translation from Korean. Lots of pictures Black and white though. The Kubota manual is a little better on the translation and spelling but few pictures, a lot of drawings. The shop manuals for each go into way more detail on diagrams, and procedures The Kioti one is in color. There is also a parts manual for both brands. The loader manual on the Kioti goes into much more detail with parts numbers and diagrams on how it goes together and how to install it. Parts and shop manual for both brands cost money. Though you can see the parts manuals online at various websites. Kubota site for Kubota and MIE site for Kioti.

 

[murphy1244]

The operators manual is just that, an operators manual. There are spelling errors, and some evidence of translation from Korean. Lots of pictures Black and white though. The Kubota manual is a little better on the translation and spelling but few pictures, a lot of drawings. The shop manuals for each go into way more detail on diagrams, and procedures The Kioti one is in color. There is also a parts manual for both brands. The loader manual on the Kioti goes into much more detail with parts numbers and diagrams on how it goes together and how to install it. Parts and shop manual for both brands cost money. Though you can see the parts manuals online at various websites. Kubota site for Kubota and MIE site for Kioti.

The Kioti shop manual is one of the Best ones I've seen. Better than Harley Davidson Manuals and that's saying something.

 

[IslandTractor]

The Kioti shop manual is one of the Best ones I've seen. Better than Harley Davidson Manuals and that's saying something.

I have never seen a HD manual but I am very impressed with the Kioti DK maintenance manual. Best I've seen. They do not assume you have been turning wrenches your whole life and provide an overview of each function but it is also very well written and extremely well illustrated with a combo of photos and diagrams. Excellent and indispensable for the amateur mechanic.

 

[murphy1244]

I have never seen a HD manual but I am very impressed with the Kioti DK maintenance manual. Best I've seen. They do not assume you have been turning wrenches your whole life and provide an overview of each function but it is also very well written and extremely well illustrated with a combo of photos and diagrams. Excellent and indispensable for the amateur mechanic.

And I really like the Tabs! Wish the parts book was as good.