Massey Ferguson 165 3 point not working

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Hi all,

Just purchased a MF 165 with the understanding of the 3 point not working. I have attached pics of the hydraulic lines and where they are attached. Im trying to figure out if the way its hooked up makes it where I cant shut off pressure to the loader to use the 3 point. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
 
   / Massey Ferguson 165 3 point not working #2  
i have a 165 but my loader runs off a front pump/crankshaft,but i know if that valve you have on top the tranny is not in the right setting i dont think your 3-point will work.i have a 35 mf plumbed up similar to yours and when im using the remote the 3-point will not work
 
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Mine also has the front pump. So Im guessing that the way its plumbed is correct. I have tried multiple lever positions with no luck. Do you know of anything else that I need to be looking at?
 
   / Massey Ferguson 165 3 point not working #4  
It looks like the hose in the first picture could be a suction line and the hose through the filler cap is a return line for the front pump. It will be independent from the internal hyd's.

I am familiar with the spool valves in front of the seat. My 135 has a very similar set up. There may be a problem with the internal controls or linkage but I think the first thing is to understand how the hyd's work. You can't use the 3 pt. and the aux. hyd's at the same time. One or the other and if you have something on the 3 pt., it will creep down over time if you're using the aux. hyd's. The 2 spool valves in front of the seat control the oil flow. The lever on the left directs oil to the side 3 pt. controls (but can also be used to raise and lower the 3 pt. without the precision or constant holding capacity of the side controls). The lever on the right directs oil to the aux. hyd's.

To use the 3 pt., the left lever is pulled back toward the seat and should detent in that position. The odd time it may pop out if lifting something heavy. If it constantly pops into neutral, you can adjust the spring so the detent is stronger. The right lever needs to stay in neutral. Now the side 3 pt. controls will work. To raise anything the outside draft control lever has to be all the way back. The lift height can be adjusted with the position control. Draft control is only used for ground engaging implements. When using the 3 pt, don't pull the position lever further back than transport position. It can be pushed over to clear the stop but that is explained next.

To use the aux. hyd's, the left valve in front of the seat has to be in neutral(middle) position. The draft control has to be all the way up and the position control has to be all the way up as well but even further into constant pumping position. This is when the position control is pushed over to clear the stop(transport position) and pulled further back. Now you can use the right lever in front of the seat to operate the aux. hyd's. There may be adjustment screws on the back of the spool valves in front of the seat and another one on the right side. They also adjust oil flow. I think the one behind the right lever changes it from single to double acting. I'm not positive about the other ones but I am pretty sure all the adjustable knobs should be all the way open or all the way closed. You'll have to experiment. There is a manual on the MF 100 series aux. hyd. operation. I found it on a website called puddingsworld. It's been a while since I looked though. If you are new to this set up, it will seem extremely complicated but actually isn't. I hope I made sense. If not I will try and walk you through it.
 
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It looks like the hose in the first picture could be a suction line and the hose through the filler cap is a return line for the front pump. It will be independent from the internal hyd's.

I am familiar with the spool valves in front of the seat. My 135 has a very similar set up. There may be a problem with the internal controls or linkage but I think the first thing is to understand how the hyd's work. You can't use the 3 pt. and the aux. hyd's at the same time. One or the other and if you have something on the 3 pt., it will creep down over time if you're using the aux. hyd's. The 2 spool valves in front of the seat control the oil flow. The lever on the left directs oil to the side 3 pt. controls (but can also be used to raise and lower the 3 pt. without the precision or constant holding capacity of the side controls). The lever on the right directs oil to the aux. hyd's.

To use the 3 pt., the left lever is pulled back toward the seat and should detent in that position. The odd time it may pop out if lifting something heavy. If it constantly pops into neutral, you can adjust the spring so the detent is stronger. The right lever needs to stay in neutral. Now the side 3 pt. controls will work. To raise anything the outside draft control lever has to be all the way back. The lift height can be adjusted with the position control. Draft control is only used for ground engaging implements. When using the 3 pt, don't pull the position lever further back than transport position. It can be pushed over to clear the stop but that is explained next.

To use the aux. hyd's, the left valve in front of the seat has to be in neutral(middle) position. The draft control has to be all the way up and the position control has to be all the way up as well but even further into constant pumping position. This is when the position control is pushed over to clear the stop(transport position) and pulled further back. Now you can use the right lever in front of the seat to operate the aux. hyd's. There may be adjustment screws on the back of the spool valves in front of the seat and another one on the right side. They also adjust oil flow. I think the one behind the right lever changes it from single to double acting. I'm not positive about the other ones but I am pretty sure all the adjustable knobs should be all the way open or all the way closed. You'll have to experiment. There is a manual on the MF 100 series aux. hyd. operation. I found it on a website called puddingsworld. It's been a while since I looked though. If you are new to this set up, it will seem extremely complicated but actually isn't. I hope I made sense. If not I will try and walk you through it.

Arc Weld, great explanation. I went out and sure enough, the detent was screwed in too far and wouldn't allow me to fully pull back on the left lever. I started her up but I still had the same result. The 3ph would not raise. We got hit by an ice storm so its extremely cold here now. Ill wait till it warms up a bit to see if its just the temps. Hoping so, then I would think its just the oil in cold weather. BTW, all the fluids look good, its not milky which tells me that there isn't water in the system.

If it turns out that its not the temps, where would you go from here? Disassembly of the diverter valve or would you remove the side plate to check functionality of the pump? Maybe put a pressure gauge on to check pressure?
 
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Do you know if it was working before you bought it and/or if it just quit? As far an internal problem, I don't know to start. Maybe if you look on the vintage MF forum here, there will someone that can help you with where to look next. If not there are some very knowledgeable MF people on the YT forum.
 
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It wasn't working when I bought it but I knew that in advance. I also have a Ferguson TO30 and it does the same thing in the winter. We are supposed to get some warmer temps later this week, so Im hoping that it will try to work. I did go out yesterday and with it running, I placed the levers in the position to provide pressure to the aux. remote and used a screwdriver to press in the steel ball inside the connector to check for pressure and nothing came out. So its looking like its either the weather or a bad pump.

Do you know to what extent you can repair the pump still installed? I really dont want to split the tractor if I dont have to.

Thanks
 
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Ok, so I have determined that it can only be the pump. PTO works but no lifting of the 3point. I am going to remove the diverter valves tomorrow to see if there is anything clogging them but I have full intention of having to remove the right inspection plate to see if there is any visual damage. I read somewhere that there could be issues with the linkage. Do any of you have any experience with this or what I should be looking for?

Thanks again
 
   / Massey Ferguson 165 3 point not working #9  
David P or Samn40 would be the best to help you. There could be linkage issues but I doubt it's a problem with the diverter valve. It's possible the suction strainer is plugged and needs to be cleaned.
 

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