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allen6634

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in 2011 i had a guy cut my trees , the guy offered to do this job on a % baisis it was around 40%, my niebor also had this guy do his timber and he found some of the checks that came from the timber id the buyer, he showed me the checks and i did the math he only payed me 8.6% for mt wood. i live in kentucky , and im not sure who to talk to about this , i just realy don't like getting burned.
 
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I think your state forest service would be the place to begin. They are the people with the knowledge and understanding of the timber business in and outs. They probably know the rascals who operate on the edge.
 
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The mill he sold to will have the records of timber bought. A independent cruiser estimate is essential for large amounts of timber being put on the market.
 
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as you don't have anything in writing its just your word against his.
 
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Loggers operating without a forester supervising them or having cruised the lot first to know what the harvest should work out to tend to be very dishonest.
 
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Wait.. your neighbor got the 40% but you didnt?
 
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Loggers operating without a forester supervising them or having cruised the lot first to know what the harvest should work out to tend to be very dishonest.

Unfortunately, there are dishonest folks in every profession. The advantage of hiring a consulting forester is that he/she weeds out the dishonest loggers and keeps the honest loggers honest. The commissions I have paid my consulting forester on my timber sales have been worth it.

Steve
 
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Thats true, its not fair of me to say most loggers are dishonest, but of the 6 logging outfits that have worked around here, 1 was semi-reputable. Some quick examples:

Neighbours had 100 acres cut, friend of theirs overheard their logger laughing in the barn about how he was fleecing these idiots.

Other neighbour had 40 acres cut and was getting paid per load. They were sneaking loads out when owner not there. Was supposed to be a diameter limit cut, they cut everything including areas flagged to be left.

There was 100 acres cut behind us (there is another discussion about who actually owns the land but thats another thread), they cut our flagged line trees and reached over and cut 60 ft x 3/4 mile of crown (state) land. Reported but enforcement said they do it because you have to prove intent in court to get a charge to stick so as long as the operator says oh I didn't see the blazed line trees they won't get a conviction.

Property behind my neighbour being cut, you have to cut in the stream/buffer zones in winter or reach in with cable skidder, well its on a hill and of course no working brakes in skidder so they bark up all the trees they are supposed to leave in buffer zones instead of leaving bumper trees to be harvested on the way out. Skidder also had oil changed into hollow areas on ground as is traditional here it seems. Woods strewn with hydraulic oil pails where every they broke a hose.

On the flip side, a friend worked for a commercial thinning outfit that did very clean work, very careful not to damage crop trees. Also, a large outfit did some really nice work strip clearcutting behind our place, no oil pails, careful with erosion around streams. My understanding is they will be back in 5-10 years to remove the strips once the standing trees have seeding what they cut already.
 
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Unfortunately, there are dishonest folks in every profession. The advantage of hiring a consulting forester is that he/she weeds out the dishonest loggers and keeps the honest loggers honest. The commissions I have paid my consulting forester on my timber sales have been worth it.

Steve

Steve is 1000% right, just mention a "mechanic" and see where that thread goes! I do think when you're talking about "no collar" work, you have to be more diligent though.

I went through something "shirt tail similar" with our electric co-op's tree contractor, but the co-op at least tried to make restitution.

You "may have a small claims case, especially if you have enough neighbors to collaborate you're story. Like said above, a written contract is well worth the time.
 
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If you know where he hauled it you can find out if he paid you right. Not that many buyers around Hawesville. Did the logger buy it from you or did the mill.
 
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no my neighbor got took real bad he has sued the logger. i was told i would get 40%
 
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i know where he took the logs, i also have the checks from the mill
 
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Loggers operating without a forester supervising them or having cruised the lot first to know what the harvest should work out to tend to be very dishonest.

Ain't it the truth.

We've got about 20 acres in Southern Mississippi owned by my MIL (84yrs old), SWMBO, and my BIL. They haven't been down there in 30 years. It's got a great stand of 40yr old pine. It's "theirs" so I TRY and stay out of it.

About a year ago a logger local to the property call us up and wanted to cut the timber. He offered $2,000/acre. At that time they didn't know exactly how many acres there were. The BIL hemmed and hawed until Thanksgiving. The logger kept calling back. Finally they agreed to sell the timber. The logger calls back to say there's less than 15 acres according to the county. BUT he'll still pay $30K. He tries to send the sale papers to my MIL for a quick signature.

The sale papers INCLUDED THE LAND. I blew my stack. Luckily my MIL didn't have a fax so we stopped it. Then SWMBO FINALLY tracks down the acreage and it's 19 acres at the county courthouse where the logger said he checked.

And the acres are 3000 feet from the center of Leeksville.

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That logger is not getting his Christmas present from us.
 
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Man, I hate to hear stories like these. There are a lot of crooks out there. I have been very blessed to build solid relationships with some stand up honest foresters and loggers. I hope it works out for y'all.
 
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I had mine logged by the Amish, twice. They were great, courteous, conscientious and very helpful. It was great on the first time, when we shook hands on the agreed upon deal, and he asked if I needed some form of contract written down. I told him (and firmly believe) that as he lived the way he lived by his convictions, if he was going to rip me off, it would be the least of our troubles. Truly a pleasure working with them.
 
 
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