LS thread topics a bit boring

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Gary Fowler

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Unlike all the other brand topics this one is getting boring. NO ONE complains of tractor not starting, something not working etc, etc. where folks like myself can contribute to theories as to why it isn't working. Here it is just, "I love my new LS", I just got my new LS XXXX and love it.

THIS is good news for LS dealers and owners but HECK guys, TBN is for solving problems for tractor owners not a DR. Ruth love fest. LOL
I just had to put something into the LS forum as I haven't seen anything that I could worthwhile contribute to in a long time other than the standard congrats to new owners and there is just too many of them to worry with now.
FOR ALL THE NEW OWNERS OUT THERE THAT I DIDNT CONGRATULATE , CONGRATULATIONS ON HAVING A NEW TRACTOR.
 
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They have only been out a couple years and none have the amount of hours to have problems. When commercial applications buy them if they don't work out they sell and buy something else. They seldom take the time to express their feelings on preference. Its cost per performance. Why are dealers back shelfing them ? I have inquired at several NH dealerships and they never give a reason... just this is what we have left. I believe training new employees on repair, special tools, and stocking parts may have an effect on the sales volume. I don't think they received much positive advertising and the north - south Korea conflict don't help.
For the hours I use a machine it would last a lifetime but I choose to have New Holland and John Deere in my building. Just a personal preference and my two cents.
*** On a personal note. I have had more repairs on old Corvettes than any other vehicle. Does that mean I won't continue to stack them in my garage ? No, I am just a slow learner !
 
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They have only been out a couple years and none have the amount of hours to have problems. When commercial applications buy them if they don't work out they sell and buy something else. They seldom take the time to express their feelings on preference. Its cost per performance. Why are dealers back shelfing them ? I have inquired at several NH dealerships and they never give a reason... just this is what we have left. I believe training new employees on repair, special tools, and stocking parts may have an effect on the sales volume. I don't think they received much positive advertising and the north - south Korea conflict don't help.
For the hours I use a machine it would last a lifetime but I choose to have New Holland and John Deere in my building. Just a personal preference and my two cents.
*** On a personal note. I have had more repairs on old Corvettes than any other vehicle. Does that mean I won't continue to stack them in my garage ? No, I am just a slow learner !
I'm having a difficult time understanding the point of your post. You seem to elude to the notion that there are problems with LS tractors, but that no one takes the time to fix them. Ironically, I've been thinking about the same topic for the last week or so. This forum is a bit boring, because no one seems to have problems with them. Granted, it is true that we are a relatively small community here on this forum. But it does seem to suggest that these are solid tractors.

I am around 100 hours on my r4047h. The tractor has been perfect so far. Not a single problem. Wait, I take that back, I did blow a fuse for the headlights.

Now, I should point out that I previously had an r4041 shuttle before I traded in for this tractor, and I had complained on the forum about the loader acting weird. After using this new tractor for a while, I have come to the conclusion that it was not an issue with the tractor, but it was an issue with me. I've noticed that when I have the RPM's up to a higher level, all of those issues go away. It does not present itself as much with the hydrostat because the RPM's are usually higher anyhow. I think I noticed the issues with the shuttle because I ran the shuttle at a continuously lower rpm. I think the problem was exacerbated by my previous tractor that I owned, which was a Kioti hydrostat. I think I was used to having the RPM's up higher and therefore the loader was always ready to work.

Speaking of that Kioti, I put around 200 hours on it in a year. That was a fine Tractor 2. However, it did have to go back to the dealer twice in that time. Once for a blown seal in the steering shaft, which was leaking fluid all over the place, and once for an O ring gasket in the quick couplers for the loader hydraulics.

Based on my experience, and the lack of complaints of LS tractors compared to the Kioti forum, in which you will find many complaints..., it seems to suggest that LS makes a better tractor.

Similar to your Corvette analogy, stocking your barn with a John Deere over an LS, due mostly to blind loyalty or incorrect assumptions of quality... Suggests that you are more interested in having something flashy as opposed to something that works.

Lol, my Prius is rock solid dependable, but you sure have to put your ego aside when you drive around in one. It saves a heck of a lot of money verses a Corvette though, and it's definitely more reliable.
 
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Ok - I have a 4041 EZ shift that has 240hrs on it - three problems as follows:
a) A very slight bend on the grill guard - my problem :) (although the bend helped as I can now open the hood without disengaging the guard)
b) Leaking rad hose - seemed to be a simple fix - but took me (and the dealer) a time to fix it - it is fixed
c) EZ-shift issues - has a number of sensors replaced and a complete "shift module (all under warranty)- dealer even came out twice to tweak in the field - it works ok now ... but still get a little "lag" when I shift forward or reverse of about 3 - 5 seconds.
Dealer (and LS) have been great and tractor has not let me down.
 
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it seems to suggest that LS makes a better tractor? That's pushing it. Kioti has more owners on this Blog too.
 
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Yup, it seems like LS is making a good tractor at a good price point. Congrats to the people who have bought them! I'll also add, that not enough LS owners post pictures of their tractors! So guys, start posting more pics, projects, and modifications you've made :D

I think one reason you don't see too many people posting about them is only a handful of people own them so far. They are still getting established as a brand. I feel that another tractor that doesn't get enough posting about, is the NH T4.75/Case 75C. It seems a fair amount of people own them now, but you still don't hear much about them, although it's starting to get a little more prevalent now. The only issue I've seen on them is one guy got a "lemon" and had quite a few problems.

It seems everyone who buys an LS is very happy with the tractor, and that's all that matters!

Gary, being the OP of this thread, I think you should take responsibility for posting the first few pics of your tractor in action :D
 
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Okay, I know that I don't post as often as I used to, because most of my free time is out getting work done with my LS.
I've owned mine a little over a year, now at 160 hrs, and not a single problem. I did manage to bend a stabilizer link, but that was from backing up with my BB, and smacking a stump!
Maybe I'll try and get a few pics of my recent projects!
 
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I'd sure like to see a lot more hours before talking about quality. 100-200 hours is nothing in the life of a tractor. I have customers that do that in a month and have 8-9000 hours on their Kubota and John Deere machines. Obviously they have had to make repairs but nothing extravagant. I'd like to see how people feel about their LS's at 1000 to 2000 hrs of course this may be 10+ years from now. All tractors break regardless of manufacturer, you need a larger sampling to really see how they are as a whole. The big names are big for a reason, longevity and quality.

Brian
 
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I'd sure like to see a lot more hours before talking about quality. 100-200 hours is nothing in the life of a tractor. I have customers that do that in a month and have 8-9000 hours on their Kubota and John Deere machines. Obviously they have had to make repairs but nothing extravagant. I'd like to see how people feel about their LS's at 1000 to 2000 hrs of course this may be 10+ years from now. All tractors break regardless of manufacturer, you need a larger sampling to really see how they are as a whole. The big names are big for a reason, longevity and quality.
Brian
Obviously folks with large ag tractors will put thousands of hours on their tractors whereas most CUT hours are seldom over 100 per year at most. Now think about something else, what is the worst thing you can do to a piece of equipment? ANSWER: let it set unused for weeks or months at a time. If a tractor sets for long periods and still produces none to little problems, then it is obviously well made. My first tractor (after I left the farm) was a Yanmar CUT and it would set for 8 month or more at a time and always fire right up when I needed it. My LS and my Kubota B26 has done the same thing (4 months stints several times) and always crank right up and ready to work with not even a small problem. My JD 332 garden tractor with Yanmar diesel engine also, same thing.
I am not saying that LS makes a superior tractor to everyone else, just that they do seem to have few warranty problems and most owners are happy owners.
 
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It seems everyone who buys an LS is very happy with the tractor, and that's all that matters!

Gary, being the OP of this thread, I think you should take responsibility for posting the first few pics of your tractor in action :D
I have a problem with photos. I don't carry a camera with me when I work (no telephone either) and when I get to doing something, I rarely stop for photo op. I congratulate those that do and I enjoy seeing those photos, I just can never remember to do it myself. Climbing in and out of my Cab is also a bit more taxing than stepping off most CUTs. It is a 3 step climb to get to my 5 foot cab floor elevation, so once there, I tend to stay there till the job is finished. I WILL TRY to get some photos of my next use. I think my brother in law wants some leveling done in his yard to facilitate drainage so that might be the next project although I may not use the LS, rather may use the Kubota B26 as he has some blue berries planted in the vicinity and I tend to run things over with the LS much more than with the Kubota.
 
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Talk up your new, low hour LS machines all you want.
Meanwhile I will continue to run my Kioti that has been problem free for the past 12 years and 1800 hours.
 
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They have only been out a couple years and none have the amount of hours to have problems.
Couple of years? Mine is a 2010 and I am sure I didn't buy the first one out. They have been making tractors since the early 90's with original deal with New Holland and selling them all over the world, just not in the USA. There are thousands of LS tractors sold each year now in the USA since now more and more dealers are picking up the line. As for NH, I can tell you why they shunned the LS with a NH brand. They are pissed that one can buy the same tractor for less (thousands less) by going to LS dealer. Most savvy tractor buyers realize that and do just that which deprives NH of sales. I am sure this was a factor in NH moving back to Shibaura for their choice of mfg. for their CUT's because there is no competition with their product (at least in the states).
Just because a company has been around for 100 years no longer means quality as most of the USA companies now source to the lowest bidder overseas and try to maintain their rep as a USA high quality supplier when in reality they are selling the same product, made in the same place that others are selling at discounted rates but they still inflate their prices just like they did when selling a "good USA MADE" product.
I have no problem with you bleed (pick your color) guys paying thru the nose to get your favorite color, but stop trying to make folks think you are doing it because they are better (whatevers) than the new to market in the USA brands. I remember well when Kubota, Kioti, Yanmar started selling in the states and everyone called them cheap foreign imitations but bought them anyway. The foreign invasion is now the reason that everything is globally sourced and just about everything now is equal quality wise but not always cost wise.
 
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Well Gary,
Have you read your own post.
I have no problem with LS
But It is you and TSO on this thread that are implying that your brand is better than mine.
You are doing the very same thing that you are complaining about others doing.
 
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TSO;3439927 h Similar to your Corvette analogy said:
BLIND loyalty has nothing to do with it. It's economics. I don't hold tractors for twenty years. I like to update and really buy what costs less in repairs and brings cash at sale time. John Deere is king. I never have trouble selling a Deere.. and no repairs in five years. Many off brands are advertised month after month at deep discounts. Besides this Even though Deere and New Holland are assembled with global parts they still represent America. You can have your Prius and $8000. battery. Put a foreign flag in the rear window. I spent 14 months fighting with the marines over seas. As for old Corvettes .... the early 60s cars are heavily sought for their looks, resale, classic lines, and horse power. I have three and darn proud to own them. They are as american as apple pie and baseball.
 
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I was out mowing with my R3039 yesterday and had a great time. I'm at 180hrs now and no major problems. One small problem keeps popping up.
For some reason, I am bending the right stabilizer bar where it attaches to the axle housing. It happens when using the flail mower (it is offset to the right) and it is always the right stabilizer. Don't know if I am not adjusting the stabilizer slack properly or some other operator error.
 
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Talk up your new, low hour LS machines all you want.
Meanwhile I will continue to run my Kioti that has been problem free for the past 12 years and 1800 hours.

Well of course we will! ...If we're happy with our machines, and are not having any problems, why wouldn't we "talk them up"?
I don't recall anyone saying that Kioti or any other tractor wasn't as good, just that we're happy with our choice.
I've got a 30 year old Kubota with 2000 hrs, and its been trouble free as well. I would have likely bought a Kioti CK35 had the dealer not been so far away, and I felt both the LS and Kioti were both comparible machines.

I certainly hope that I get the same service out of my LS, that you're Kioti is giving you. No reason it shouldn't.

So no, I might not have the time that you've got on yours, but that's not going to keep me from sharing my satisfaction with others here.
 
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They said the same stuff about Kubota when they came onto the scene. Tough for someone who thought they had it all figured out and then someone sets an LS in front of them, and they have to explain how this could be. It's amazing what modern designs with modern cutting edge assembly can achieve over sit on your laurels old management turns out. Ask your self why you have a Samsung phone, or refrigerator, or drive a Kia or Hyundai, or watch on a Samsung TV. It's happening in tractors too. Dr Deming was right and if those other guys like the American auto industry found out will be out of business in twenty years if they don't get with it, it's easy to see, I saw it happen in cars, electronics, appliances, and it can and will happen in AG equipment if we sit on laurels. JD better pray LS doesn't sit down and decide to build a combine. Look at how the size of Kubota's are growing. It's just time now.

HS
 
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BLIND loyalty has nothing to do with it. It's economics. I don't hold tractors for twenty years. I like to update and really buy what costs less in repairs and brings cash at sale time. John Deere is king. I never have trouble selling a Deere.. and no repairs in five years. Many off brands are advertised month after month at deep discounts. Besides this Even though Deere and New Holland are assembled with global parts they still represent America. You can have your Prius and $8000. battery. Put a foreign flag in the rear window. I spent 14 months fighting with the marines over seas. As for old Corvettes .... the early 60s cars are heavily sought for their looks, resale, classic lines, and horse power. I have three and darn proud to own them. They are as american as apple pie and baseball.

The problem with Deere is you have to pay 10,000 more to get back 8,000 more. and they have the same problems the rest of them do just more dealers to take it too.
 
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Well of course we will! ...If we're happy with our machines, and are not having any problems, why wouldn't we "talk them up"?
I don't recall anyone saying that Kioti or any other tractor wasn't as good, just that we're happy with our choice.
I've got a 30 year old Kubota with 2000 hrs, and its been trouble free as well. I would have likely bought a Kioti CK35 had the dealer not been so far away, and I felt both the LS and Kioti were both comparible machines.

I certainly hope that I get the same service out of my LS, that you're Kioti is giving you. No reason it shouldn't.

So no, I might not have the time that you've got on yours, but that's not going to keep me from sharing my satisfaction with others here.
Talking your machine up because they work well is fine. I like to read about that and hope they continue to work well for many years.
But we have several members on this forum, (certain owners from every color) that feels they need to cut all the other brands down to do it .
I find that offensive and annoying
 
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Agent Blue


Just remember your Chevrolet company that built those cars went out of business in 2009. It's gone forever.

HS
 

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