Think I just tore my clutch out. ford 1520

[barryb77]

Yeah I was using it to move some stuff around the yard here. Now when I let the clutch out it takes it a second or 2 to engage. It does appear to be slipping, Not sure what year my tractor is. the serial # is UH30119 that didn't show in the tractordata.
Also can someone please possibly post up the diagram for how to replace the clutch. Not new to working with the wrenches this is my first tractor I'll need to break apart it now appears.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Does the pedal have top play?

 

[barryb77]

Yes it has pedal play. wasn't there when I first got on it today. I was told once that you aren't supposed to free wheel these tractors. I had backed up a hill with a heavy scraper blade in the bucket. When I was going from reverse to 1st, I had my foot on the clutch, and didn't get my foot on the brake fast enough and I coasted down the hill a lil bit. probably like 20 ft. not much at all. I drove over to where I set the scraper blade, dropped it, went to back up thats when I noticed the slop, and problem appeared.
Like I said I am new tractor owner.

 

[jimmysisson]

Well, you want some free play, maybe about an inch. If you had none before, then you did what you described, I'm not sure what changed. I think the no-freewheeling warning is so you don't spin the (low) gears too fast coasting. The clutch assy is bolted to the engine and turns at engine speed.
If your TO bearing suddenly failed you'd more than likely have a can't-disengage clutch, not a slipping one. Dies that model have an inspection cover you can spy the clutch through? JC should weigh in here shortly.
Let us know.
Jim

 

[JC-jetro]

Well,

We're driving back from Colorado after a week of R&R. My wife decided to drive so I was checking email and stuff. I'll try to see if I can help tomorrow. We just passed Colorado state line.

JC


PS. Hate to type on tablet.

 

[randy41]

if the clutch had no free play before you can try restoring that by adjusting the free play adjustment rod attached to the pedal. not sure if the 1510 and 1520 are the same?

 

[JC-jetro]

Yeah I was using it to move some stuff around the yard here. Now when I let the clutch out it takes it a second or 2 to engage. It does appear to be slipping, Not sure what year my tractor is. the serial # is UH30119 that didn't show in the tractordata.
Also can someone please possibly post up the diagram for how to replace the clutch. Not new to working with the wrenches this is my first tractor I'll need to break apart it now appears.

1520 might have a dual clutch. Do you have live PTO?

JC,

 

[barryb77]

After I first read these replies, I can get it to move, I backed it up the hill in 2wd, it will spin the tires. That tells me the clutch is possibly good. maybe a linkage Throw out bearing. But since this is my first tractor I am still learning how they work compared to a car or truck. Welcoming any help and suggestions.
I am not sure if it has an inspection plate. I'll look when I can.

 

[barryb77]

1520 might have a dual clutch. Do you have live PTO?

JC,

I'm not sure if it has a live pto or not. Like Ive mentioned I am new to the tractor owning. I trying to learn and understand how things work. Back to the PTO. I can push the clutch in and it will stop rotating? I just hooked a bush hog to it also, and was trying it out earlier that day. I didn't do anything out of the ordinary. Is there a specific way to operate a Bush hog with these tractors?

 

[JC-jetro]

I'm not sure if it has a live pto or not. Like Ive mentioned I am new to the tractor owning. I trying to learn and understand how things work. Back to the PTO. I can push the clutch in and it will stop rotating? I just hooked a bush hog to it also, and was trying it out earlier that day. I didn't do anything out of the ordinary. Is there a specific way to operate a Bush hog with these tractors?

Okay. Do this test. With tractor on , PTO engaged and what happens when you clutch half way? With live PTO clutching half way disenges transmission/locomotion. Pressing the clutch all the way should stop the PTO. Can you shift gear while I'm motion? Synchronized transmission?

Jc

 

[barryb77]

Okay. Do this test. With tractor on , PTO engaged and what happens when you clutch half way? With live PTO clutching half way disenges transmission/locomotion. Pressing the clutch all the way should stop the PTO. Can you shift gear while I'm motion? Synchronized transmission?

Jc

If I remember correctly, I had to push the clutch in to shift gears. Not so sure I can fully do that test right now with the clutch/linkage acting up. I had always just pushed clutch in fully when changing gears and engaging PTO. Hadn't had to use PTO much because until recently All I had that used the pto was my post hole auger.

 

[JC-jetro]

If I remember correctly, I had to push the clutch in to shift gears. Not so sure I can fully do that test right now with the clutch/linkage acting up. I had always just pushed clutch in fully when changing gears and engaging PTO. Hadn't had to use PTO much because until recently All I had that used the pto was my post hole auger.

Jack up the rear axle and securely support the axle two jack stands. Make sure rear tires can freely spin. Clutch and engage the pto.
1- see if you can spin the PTO out put shaft.
2- have someone clutch and try to turn PTO. Observe the result.
3- with transmission in neutral try to rotate the rear wheels by hand. Observe and report.
4- clutch and engage a gear, try to rotate the rear wheels by hand. Observe and report.

All the tests above to be done with engine off. Very important.

JC,

 

[barryb77]

Jack up the rear axle and securely support the axle two jack stands. Make sure rear tires can freely spin. Clutch and engage the pto.
1- see if you can spin the PTO out put shaft.
2- have someone clutch and try to turn PTO. Observe the result.
3- with transmission in neutral try to rotate the rear wheels by hand. Observe and report.
4- clutch and engage a gear, try to rotate the rear wheels by hand. Observe and report.

All the tests above to be done with engine off. Very important.

JC,

Ok will do tomorrow weather permitting. What will this test show, live pto or not.
I went out to it tonight, looking for an inspection cover. I was fooling with the clutch pedal. I can push it in about 2-3 inches before I can feel it actually touch the pressure plate I assume. Until that distance its just return spring tension.
Whats got me baffled is a clutch shouldn't go out within a 100 feet.

 

[SPYDERLK]

With the clutch pushed in and tractor coasting [like downhill] the clutch plate is driven by the trans if youre in gear. If its a low gear the plate will spin very fast and can disintegrate. This can happen instantly with too much speed in a low gear.
larry

 

[JC-jetro]

There is a huge difference between live and transmission driven Pto. if nothing else the price of dual clutch is 4 to 5 times more expensive than single clutch. I'm trying to figure out which flavor you got and which clutch disk is failing, pto or transmission clutch. If you have the inspection hole finding the type of clutch can be very simple by visual inspection. If you can take a picture shining a flash light thru the hole might enable us to verify, along with the rest of test instructions.

JC.

 

[barryb77]

Ok, I'm going to do those test. I'm curious has anybody heard of having these clutches rebuilt?

 

[barryb77]

OK, tractor jacked up, in neutral, tires spin freely, Now put tractor in middle/medium range 3rd gear. Clutch out, I can move the rear tires but I have to put some force behind it in order to do so. I lifted the hood to see If I was also spinning the motor, It was to some extent. PTO engaged clutch out can't spin the shaft, push the clutch in I can spin the shaft. easily.

 

[JC-jetro]

OK, tractor jacked up, in neutral, tires spin freely, Now put tractor in middle/medium range 3rd gear. Clutch out, I can move the rear tires but I have to put some force behind it in order to do so. I lifted the hood to see If I was also spinning the motor, It was to some extent. PTO engaged clutch out can't spin the shaft, push the clutch in I can spin the shaft. easily.

Nice, I don't reckon you have a problem. Now I asked you 4 question and you answered only two. How about 1/2 clutching and see if wheels spin free in gear. I'm trying to figure out if you have dual stage clutch. From what you said so far I think you have a single clutch and your pto is transmission driven.

My observations.
-engaged PTO, start turning while clutch is fully pressed indicates that your tractor clutch release mechanism works fine and disengages the clutch disk and that's a good thing.
- in gear and having a hard time spinning the rear wheels means your clutch is engaged and clutch disk is not slipping and that's a good thing.
- your clutch can engage and dis-engages like it should and that's a good thing.

I read that you were able to back up a hill in reverse.. that's also good as clutch does not care if you're going forward and reverse.

Now all these tests were done" not under load". your clutch disk might be getting thin and starts to slip under heavy load. If you have an inspection hole on the side of your transmission you can visually observe and even measure thickness vs oem clutch disk.

JC,

taking a picture of clutch disk/pressure plate can easily show if you have dual clutch or not.

 

[barryb77]

Well actually i went back out and checked into it further, I had the brake locked on one wheel. My bad, trying to do it in a hurry weather wasn't fully cooperating. Anyways, I can free spin the wheels while in gear. I was trying to do it by myself, only help I had was my 4 year old boy, he wanted to help so bad, but didn't have the strength to fully compress the clutch. He got an A+ for effort.
1. can't spin the pto
2. can spin the pto shaft easily
3. spins freely
4 no change spins freely I even swap high to low gears no change.
Sorry I didn't fully understand what you were asking earlier
And thanks alot for the info.

The Previous owner had a clutch put in when he first bought the tractor, so there isn't alot of hours on it. If it is a dual clutch, wondering if I drop it off at a re builder if they can fix whats wrong with this set up?

 

[JC-jetro]

Well actually i went back out and checked into it further, I had the brake locked on one wheel. My bad, trying to do it in a hurry weather wasn't fully cooperating. Anyways, I can free spin the wheels while in gear. I was trying to do it by myself, only help I had was my 4 year old boy, he wanted to help so bad, but didn't have the strength to fully compress the clutch. He got an A+ for effort.
1. can't spin the pto
2. can spin the pto shaft easily
3. spins freely
4 no change spins freely I even swap high to low gears no change.
Sorry I didn't fully understand what you were asking earlier
And thanks alot for the info.

The Previous owner had a clutch put in when he first bought the tractor, so there isn't alot of hours on it. If it is a dual clutch, wondering if I drop it off at a re builder if they can fix whats wrong with this set up?

Way to go little boy for trying to help out his ole man:thumbsup: I was changing a clutch with rebuilt transmission for my boy's Eclipse all day yesterday and two of my boys were helping me all day. I tell you tractor clutch is way the heck easier that jammed front wheel drive vehicle.

In a dual clutch jobby, in gear, rear wheel off the ground and easily spin is a sign of release bearing is riding the fingers on clutch 1/2 way releasing the first stage so clutch is dispensed. in that fix the pto clutch or second set is disengaged and pressing fully releases the second clutch which is your pto. I think something got screwed up with clutch adjustment. look at all the linkages, may be you got it dragged against brush or something that deformed it.

You can easily check movement of release fork and if it is riding on pressure plate thru inspection hole and a flash light in two minutes. may be this time ask your wife to
depress clutch in out while your checking release fork. If my analysis is correct then you have a minor adjustment issue.

JC,