Urban Legend...Rural Legend...???

Henro · Oct 10, 2003

Hi,

The following observation was made in another thread concerning 3ph backhoes on tractors...and it got me thinking...which I know can be dangerous... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 You can find plenty of cases of guys with three point models that have had problems. It's rare to find a subframe problem.

Does anyone have specific reference to these kind of serious problems?

At the risk of being a doubting Thomas I would really like to hear them. Along with the reasons...improper installation...everything done by the book and it still broke my tractor...whatever.

There are many Urban Legends...and I wonder if this "Tractor broken in half by 3ph backhoe" is a "Rural Legend."

I would really like to know the facts...as they just might give me a reason to polish up my B2910 over the winter and trade it in on a 3430 with a BH90 backhoe come spring! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Not that I would...but you never know... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Hambone · Oct 10, 2003

as they just might give me a reason to polish up my B2910 over the winter and trade it in on a 3430 with a BH90 backhoe come spring!


Trade in?? I figured you would just add it to your fleet!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

fivestring · Oct 10, 2003

"I would really like to know the facts...as they just might give me a reason to polish up my B2910 over the winter and trade it in on a 3430 with a BH90 backhoe come spring!"

Yeah, right.... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Add it to the fleet and add-on to the tractor-shed!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I don't know of the back-hoes breaking them but I do know that the FEL's on some MF's tend to break the mount at the transmission. I was told it is most prevelant on tractors used by landscapers. It seems that the laborers speed into the pile of dirt to fill the bucket, but the force pushes the lower mount backward at the transmission mount. It's an expensive repair... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

DavidJ · Oct 10, 2003

I'm with you Henro. I'd like to hear from people that have had their tractor broken, or from someone that has actually seen a tractor broken by the BH.

I've heard and read tons of stories about tractors breaking into.

The only tractor I've seen broken into was from a guy pulling a tree and it caught a pipeline and lifted the front end. He quickly pressed the clutch before it flipped and when it slammed to the ground it broke the front pivot mount off the tractor. It was a MF-35.

And for all you with inquiring minds he was pulling it from the top mount of the 3PH. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

slowrev · Oct 10, 2003

I'm with you Henro, lets have some examples. Most tractor breakage I have heard of was caused by FEL use/abuse.

ronjhall · Oct 10, 2003

polish up my B2910 over the winter and trade it in on a 3430 with a BH90 backhoe come spring! 

Bill
I can not help you with your desire to get a bigger tractor since my B4690 backhoe has not broken my B2910 yet. Nor have I heard of anyone breaking their B27-2910 with a B4690. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Now if you want an easier backhoe to put on. There has to be one that is easier than the B4690. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Maybe a BH90? /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
That would require a different tractor since it will not fit your B2910. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Henro · Oct 10, 2003

Rick and all,

At the risk of sending this thread off course...I must confess I washed my tractor this afternoon and did my best to get most of the asphalt that was sticking to the tires washed/scraped off.

I am growing increasingly fearful of a broken tractor! I can't believe there could be a Rural Legend. It has to be the truth. I [ and more importantly my wife] are at great financial risk.

I owe it to her to upgrade to a L3430 with BH90 backhoe! It is the least I can do for the wife. Not worth taking the risk with the B2910 and its 3PH backhoe... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

"Honest, honey, I'm doing it for us...I mean for you...this will give us more financial security...it was Rick's idea...he knows about these things...We should trust his judgement...he's a smart guy..."

/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

That is what you said, isn't it Rick??? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

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PS...Gee, it was Ron, not Rick. Man...I'm going to keep that in my back pocket...if she hesitates...I can pull out the big gun!

And furthermore, Ron said...

It doesn't get better than this... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

NIXON · Oct 10, 2003

"Honest, honey, I'm doing it for us...I mean for you...this will give us more financial security...it was Rick's idea...he knows about these things...We should trust his judgement...he's a smart guy..."

Bill , I somehow get the feeling thaqt a 3430/ BH will be showing up at your home in the near future /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif John

TWINKLE_TOES · Oct 10, 2003

Bill,

Hayden put a lot of effort into this thread on subframe Vs. three point hoes, might help.

Hayden on hoes

tacbat · Oct 10, 2003

Henro, I have been reading these post for awhile now and I have yet to see a single tractor broken in half /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I have been follwing the post about a the wallenstein hoe for 2210JD. It looks good but with the "legend" out there how can you been sure?? I would think that if they have a engneer design a mounting kit it would be safe to use. I guess if it is Bubba out back making it fit it is a different story.(no offense to any Bubba's out there) I do like your thinking on CFO (wife) management I myself have used this approach and expressing a need for a larger member for the tractor fleet. I will let everyone know how that goes I am thinking full size utility tractor.

Bill

Junkman · Oct 10, 2003

If you want to get the tar and asphalt off the tractor, then wash it with diesel fuel and then hose it down..... It will come out shiny and almost new looking except for the scratches. Just don't plan on doing any painting of the metal for a while. Works perfectly every time......

cowboydoc · Oct 10, 2003

WD-40 works good too.

Henro · Oct 10, 2003

If you want to get the tar and asphalt off the tractor, then wash it with diesel fuel and then hose it down 

Junkman and Cowboydoc...

The asphalt I was referring to was on the tires! Seemed to stick real good and helped hold the mud on better than just plain rubber... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I got ten tons by chance, a left over amount a guy was going to dump down the road. It was hot, but not real hot...pretty hot though. I don't know if really hot asphalt would stick as well to tires. I thought it would fall off when the tires flexed, but not so...at least not all of it. I ended up using a scraper to flic off what the pressure washer did not remove...I should say more of what the water did not blow off...there is still some there...

Not sure if I would want to use diesel on the tires...would that be ok?

Now the bucket..well, I guess that will be protected and wear off in time...makes the tractor look like a working machine... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Charliebrn · Oct 11, 2003

Hate to burst everyone's bubble of a hope that it's an urban legend, but someone posted a picture on this board of just this sort of thing! I think it was John Miller III, but I could be wrong. I remember how sad of a picture it was, with her back broken like that. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Henro....find that pic, and show it to your wife... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

OkeeDon · Oct 11, 2003

How cold does it get up there? Leave that puppy out overnight in sub-zero weather, then whack the tires with a hammer. That asphalt should just fall off. Guys building race cars from production models swear that's the best way to get rid of the undercoat/sound deadening. Since I refuse to go outside any time the temperature falls below 60 degrees F, I suppose I'll never find out...

RichNJKubota · Oct 11, 2003

I saw an L series Kubota with the top link mount broke out of the trans case. This was due to a 3 pt backhoe. The owner did not put know to put the reinforcing bracket onto the trans case. The bracket is "L" shaped and bolts to the top and rear of the case where the top link mounts.
After doing my own research, I have decided if I get anything over the smallest backhoe it will be subframe mounted. For safety and not getting that wiggly feeling from the "loose" 3pt connections.
Rich

Henro · Oct 11, 2003

Hate to burst everyone's bubble of a hope that it's an urban legend, but someone posted a picture on this board of just this sort of thing! 

Charliebrn,

I remember that picture too! But one claim/experience does not make a rule...I don't remember the details that accompanied that picture...I don't even remember the picture! But I do have a memory of seeing the picture...

Mabye that was CWForrester's tractor before he got the one with the bent backhoe? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Sorry...I couldn't resist... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I can't help but think if 3PH backhoes were really dangerous to the tractors they hang on that we would be dozens of photos of broken tractors.

Rolling a tractor is a pretty unusual event...and we occasionally see some pictures here of tractors laying on their sides...I would expect to see many more pictures and/or reports of broken tractor/backhoe combos if it were indeed a common thing...

BOTAMAN · Oct 11, 2003

The occurance of a 3-pt backhoe is rare, I know it can happen. Sold a 3 pt hoe to a customer for his Cub Cadet tractor and recommended he go with the sub frame, but he chose not to, about one year later tractor broke in half between the rear end and transmission. Our companies insurance paid for part of the repair. I always advise my customers that the sub frame is the best way to go. The difference in the cost is a small price compared to having to repair a broken tractor.

GregJ · Oct 11, 2003

Henro,
I too have been concerned about your safety with that 3pt. BH. Now, if you are the truly altruistic person that I think you are, I am sure that you wouldn't want to personally profit from any financial gain in disposing of this dangerous piece of equipment. This is where I can help. I will be glad to dispose of this "accident waiting to happen" for you, even though it will be a great expense and inconvenience on my part, due to my location, but it would be worth it to me, just to know that some unsuspecting soul wasn't seriously injured.

Greg

DavidJ · Oct 11, 2003

OK, so far we've gotten
<ul type="square"> [*]1 broken into [*]a picture of 1 supposedly broken by the BH [*] 1 toplink mount broken off because the owner did something stupid. [/list]

I tend to agree that a subframe is the way to go. It doesn't look like the 3PH design is all that terrible. I'll keep counting and we'll see how many show up.