Loader Weldable grab hooks

[Tinkerbelle]

I am trying to find grade 100 weldable grab hooks for Massey ferguson front end loader. someone told me I need 100 grade instead of 70 grade. Anyone can help me find grade 100 or is 70 strong enough? I had some I got from dealer but they broke off

thanks for any help

 

[greasemonkeyok]

Grade 100 is required for lifting as opposed to tying down. So look for some place like Southwest Wire Rope in New Iberia, they will have them. Or, look in the Yellow Pages under wire rope and find a place near you.

 

[Tinkerbelle]

thanks for the information I will give them a call

 

[bcp]

Did the hook or the weld break?

Bruce

 

[Tinkerbelle]

Did the hook or the weld break?

Bruce

One of the hooks broke first and the the other two broke.

thanks

 

[ghenges]

I am trying to find grade 100 weldable grab hooks for Massey ferguson front end loader. someone told me I need 100 grade instead of 70 grade. Anyone can help me find grade 100 or is 70 strong enough? I had some I got from dealer but they broke off

thanks for any help

It appears all the readily available weld-on chain hooks are sourced from.China.

I have not seen a prominent USA manufacturer offer weld-on hooks.

If you need a grade 100 chain hook, purchase an eye hook like this one:
https://www.americanproducers.com/i...search&qdx=0&ID=,CM.Hoist...Columbus.McKinnon.

An eye hook gives somewhat more weld area once the eye is cut off.
Yes, this is what most equipment owners use when attaching grab hooks to a bucket.
These hooks are very weldable, though preheat is recommended.
A 7018 rod will be of sufficient strength since the bucket metal at the point of attachment shouldn't be a higher grade of steel than the 7018 rod can handle.

Entire Catalog here:
http://www.cmworks.com/promos/pdf/CMRP-0709.pdf

 

[greasemonkeyok]

It appears all the readily available weld-on chain hooks are sourced from.China.
I have not seen a prominent USA manufacturer offer weld-on hooks.

That is true of the big box stores and most "consumer" retailers like tractor supply, but not true of the commercial suppliers that sell to rig operators and industrial users. I have not seen Chinese-made accessories being sold by the commercial suppliers. They may be pricey, well, actually they are pricey, but very reliable.

The eye hook suggestion is spot on.

Another thought, when the load is too heavy what do you want to break, the hook or the bucket. I see the hook as the equivalent to a shear pin to protect the loader arms and bucket.

For that reason I use a little different system, a 2" x 4" x 1/2" plate welded to the bucket, a nut welded to the plate, and a clevis type hook attached with a bolt into the nut. The bolt is the sacrificial link that gives way when the strain is too much. When that happens, you pick up the clevis type hook, a new bolt, and re-install the hook. You are on your way in short order if you keep a couple of extra bolts in your tool box.

 

[Tinkerbelle]

Thanks for everyones suggestions.

 

[kennyd]

Grade 100 is just plain overkill for a tractor. A G70 3/8" hook is rated for 6,600 pounds, and a 5/16" 4,700 pounds. The bucket would fall off the tractor before one of those broke!

http://www.boltonhooks.com/images/Chain WLL1.jpg

All of the forged weld on hooks are that AWD, Grainger, KBOGH, and various other places sell are made in China and distributed by BA Products.

 

[mikehaugen]

Grade 100 is just plain overkill for a tractor. A G70 3/8" hook is rated for 6,600 pounds, and a 5/16" 4,700 pounds. The bucket would fall off the tractor before one of those broke!

http://www.boltonhooks.com/images/Chain WLL1.jpg

All of the cast weld on hooks are that AWD, Grainger, KBOGH, and various other places sell are made in China and distributed by BA Products.

I would have assumed that when you got to a grade 70 or higher, the hooks would be forged?

 

[Gary Fowler]

Grade 100 is just plain overkill for a tractor. A G70 3/8" hook is rated for 6,600 pounds, and a 5/16" 4,700 pounds. The bucket would fall off the tractor before one of those broke!

http://www.boltonhooks.com/images/Chain WLL1.jpg

All of the cast weld on hooks are that AWD, Grainger, KBOGH, and various other places sell are made in China and distributed by BA Products.

x2 ,I have to agree for sure. There is just no way a tractor FEL can put enough lifting pressure to break a hook if properly used. THAT means hooking the chain into the throat of the hook and not on the point. Even if hooked on the point I would not think a tractor of less than 100 HP could break a chain hook lifting with the FEL, BUT always put your chain in the throat just to be safe and proper.

I put on some hooks like the ones made for installing on the end of a chain in 3/8" Gr 70 hook size. I cut off the bottom of the U that hooks into the chain and beveled both sides for a almost full penetration weld. I first welded on a 4 x6 x 1/4" reinforcement plate to the bucket then the hooks to the reinforcement pad. No way are you going to break off those hooks if properly installed and welded. I think (NOT SURE) I got mine at Harbor Freight and for sure they are Chinese made forged steel hooks as almost everything is today. I know my Gr. 70 chains are and they hold good. I pulled the belly attachment for my 70 HP tractors drawbar off and didn't damage the 3/8" chain from HF so I know it will hold anything that I hook on with my loader which is only rated at 3500 lb lift capacity although it may lift a bit more.

 

[Buckgnarly]

What are you lifting that broke those hooks? Were you pulling with your FEL? Pics?.......

 

[kennyd]

I would have assumed that when you got to a grade 70 or higher, the hooks would be forged?

100% correct, they are indeed forged, I mis-spoke. I edited my post above.

 

[ghenges]

Here you go, quick and easy.

CM (Columbus McKinnon) Grade 80 Chain Hooks only $15.00 each - FREE SHIPPING

Yea, yea, GRADE 80 may be considered overkill by some here,
........but 30 bucks for 2 hooks from a quality manufacturer, you can't go wrong.

 

[kennyd]

Here you go, quick and easy.

CM (Columbus McKinnon) Grade 80 Chain Hooks only $15.00 each - FREE SHIPPING

He asked for "Weld On" hooks specifically.

 

[stuckmotor]

For that reason I use a little different system, a 2" x 4" x 1/2" plate welded to the bucket, a nut welded to the plate, and a clevis type hook attached with a bolt into the nut. The bolt is the sacrificial link that gives way when the strain is too much. When that happens, you pick up the clevis type hook, a new bolt, and re-install the hook. You are on your way in short order if you keep a couple of extra bolts in your tool box.[/QUOTE]

Greasemonkeyok
Your system sounds promising but, I can't understand exactly how you attach the clevis type hook to the 1/2 inch plate? Could you explain further? A photo would be even better.

 

[greasemonkeyok]

Take the pin out of the grab hook, and run the same-sized bolt back through into the nut as described below. Actually, I also threaded a hole in the 2" x 4" x 1/2" plate below the nut so that the bolt is held in place by threads in both the nut and plate.

Also, I cut a shallow grove in the plate for the backside (left in the image) of the hook to impede its tendency to sway back forth. I suppose you could tack weld it if you wanted.



The plate would be to the left and perpendicular to the hook in the above image, the nut would be in the same location as the cotter pin, and the bolt would be inserted from right to left through the hook into the nut. With a little adjustment when you are welding and a little grinding, you can get it to fit snug.

For nut placement, drill the hole in the plate, thread the hole, then run the bolt into the nut and plate toghther. With the nut snug to the plate, weld the nut to the plate, checking the alignment periodically by running the bolt in and out.

Pictures when I can.

 

[Big Wave D]

greasemonkeyok,

Is it possible for you to post a picture of your setup that you describe?

Thanks

Edit: Hadn't seen the previous posts also asking for more details and pictures.

 

[stuckmotor]

Thank you greesemonkeyok. When the bolt breaks, is an easyout required to remove it?

 

[greasemonkeyok]

... When the bolt breaks, is an easyout required to remove it?

Good question.

The release in tension on the bolt head when it breaks, generally at the threadline, makes it easy to back out. The threadline on the bolt is the fulcrum and weak point. I prefer Grade eight bolts because they don't seem to bend, they just snap.

Also, carefully tapping the hole in the plate prevents tension between the threads in the nut and the threads in the plate. And, cut the bolt short enough so that it doesn't bottom out on the bucket wall when tightened down. If the bolt is too long, it will bottom out on the bucket wall before it cinches the hook down, and then it would be difficult to get the thread portion of the bolt out if it breaks.

BTW, some of the pressure on the hook is on the back side of the hook that sits in the groove in the plate. Can't say how much that adds to the overall capacity of the setup, but I haven't had a chronic problem with the bolts breaking.

Another advantage is that if you have a job that the hooks will interfere with, just unbolt them and toss into the tool box. Sometimes small branches get caught in the hooks when moving a lot of brush.

Actual pictures to follow when I get to the barn again. Like a lot of old folks, I run into so many things that need attention on the way to the barn that I forget the main reason for going there in the first place. "Lets see, now why did I bring this prybar and roll of duct tape?"