POUR NEW CONCRETE OVER OLD?

/ POUR NEW CONCRETE OVER OLD? #41  
I recommend ripping out old, so that you wont get reflective crackinging, mirroring the old squares. No gravel, just tamped clean fill. House slabs are 4" thick, 3000 psi concrete, so 5000 is way over kill. I do recommend using WWF but aslong as you saw cut or tool control joints you probably can get away with skipping it (theres no fiber, wire, or rebar in sidwalks).
 
/ POUR NEW CONCRETE OVER OLD? #42  
If you have frost heave, then follow my PM on installing the 1" HD foam on top of existing concrete and pour a 3" thick 3000 PSI strength concreted slab. NO other prep will be required other than forming it up. The 1" foam will allow the ground to heave a bit without moving the slab. I doubt you will get much movement under the existing slab.
 
/ POUR NEW CONCRETE OVER OLD? #43  
I recommend ripping out old, so that you wont get reflective crackinging, mirroring the old squares. No gravel, just tamped clean fill. House slabs are 4" thick, 3000 psi concrete, so 5000 is way over kill. I do recommend using WWF but aslong as you saw cut or tool control joints you probably can get away with skipping it (theres no fiber, wire, or rebar in sidwalks).
 
/ POUR NEW CONCRETE OVER OLD? #44  
If you have frost heave, then follow my PM on installing the 1" HD foam on top of existing concrete and pour a 3" thick 3000 PSI strength concreted slab. NO other prep will be required other than forming it up. The 1" foam will allow the ground to heave a bit without moving the slab. I doubt you will get much movement under the existing slab.

There are better ways to eliminate frost heave.:)
 
/ POUR NEW CONCRETE OVER OLD? #45  
As a former concrete contractor I'd say as small as it is,just take up the old concrete as has been suggested. Remove any sod or soft fill and replace with gravel and run a compactor on it. 5"thickness is a LOT stronger than 4" ,and on a slab that small,just use a grooving tool and cut your fresh joints where the major stress will be,usually at the outside edge away from the building.
If you don't want it to settle near your building,drill some holes and use 1/2"rebar to dowel the new slab into the foundation. Tape the ends of the dowels which stick into the fresh concrete with a couple layers of furnace tape. This will let it slip enough to keep it from cracking the new edge.
Freeze/thaw can be combatted by pouring a skirt around the edge 4-6"thick and down 12" to keep water from running in under the edge of new work.
Just a few thoughts you can choose to use or ignore.LOL!
And I never poured a 5 bag,3000 psi mix if the finish is important down thru the years. Order 4000 psi and you MIGHT get 517 lbs. cement per cubic yd., but I doubt it.There is no business I know of where it is so easy to cheat the customer as to what he orders than in the concrete mixing business.
They can add flyash,they can blow it up with excess air entrainment, they can short you on volume, they can send you an OLD load,they can use inferior grade aggregates, and unless you have a concrete testing company there,you'll never be able to prove anything. But by ordering the load to arrive early in the AM,you generally avoid getting an OLD load.
The only way I was ever able to keep a concrete company on the straight and narrow was their knowledge that I WOULD core drill and have the crete tested if they misbehaved.
Oh,I forgot......6X6X10 gauge wire mesh would be fine for your light duty app here,but IF you wanna lil'extra strength,line the perimeter with 1/2"rebar.
Finish the concrete however desired,but cure and seal it(roller works well) with Diamond Clear for a good result don-ohio :)^)
 
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/ POUR NEW CONCRETE OVER OLD? #46  
I feel bad for you since you are getting so many different bits of advice. My family has been in the concrete business longer then I can remember. Trust me when I tell you, in an area where frost is an issue, as you and I live in, you need to have a 6" base of cut stone. And it's very important that you tamp down the stone in order to fill any voids. This will give you the proper drainage necessary to prevent frost from cracking your slab.

No matter what thickness or strength concrete pad you pour, without the proper base you can almost guarantee it will crack.
 
/ POUR NEW CONCRETE OVER OLD? #47  
Good advice Carl.

I hope the O.P. isn't totally confused or irritated with us. This thread reminds me of another one asking how far apart to plant trees along his driveway. A lot of answers ranging from 2' to 100' apart. We didn't help that guy at all.
 
/ POUR NEW CONCRETE OVER OLD? #49  
After reading all the different opinions, I agree with them all.
Too bad the OP doesn't have a slightly larger pad to pour. He could try them all:)
 

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