Was chewing the fat and heard....

   / Was chewing the fat and heard.... #51  
I have a RV and tires are always a pretty hot topic on the RV forums. I had Michelin tires on my RV that were about 6 years old and badly weather checked. In researching tires I read that Michelin is bad for weather checking fast. Apparently they don't use, or don't use much, 'carbon black' in their tires which helps block UV. I was told the same thing at the tire store so there is probably something to it. I run Michelin's on my cars but have yet to notice weather checking... probably because the tires wear out from use before they get old enough. So likely something to the 'expected service' comment.
 
   / Was chewing the fat and heard.... #52  
Yep, that's just what we need. Another law to protect us from our own stupidity.
I'm amazed how many people who don't like the way the government is run, and don't trust the government will say something like this is a good idea.
Personally, I think our government could mess up a train wreck. Speaking of train wreck's.............

Andy
 
   / Was chewing the fat and heard.... #53  
I have a RV and tires are always a pretty hot topic on the RV forums. I had Michelin tires on my RV that were about 6 years old and badly weather checked. In researching tires I read that Michelin is bad for weather checking fast. Apparently they don't use, or don't use much, 'carbon black' in their tires which helps block UV. I was told the same thing at the tire store so there is probably something to it. I run Michelin's on my cars but have yet to notice weather checking... probably because the tires wear out from use before they get old enough. So likely something to the 'expected service' comment.

This tells a bit about dry rotting
What Causes Dry, Rotted Tires? | eHow.com
and this gives some tips on extending the life:
How to Protect Tires From Dry Rotting | eHow.com

Carbon black is just a filler. It is the most common ingredient in a tire, and though not cheap, it is one of the least expensive ingredients to add. There once was a time when tires were white, and it is my understanding that that was because there was no carbon black in the tire, but instead, zinc oxide was used as the filler.

I saw a show last night on military innovations where they were attempting to make lighting sources what could take a bullet, but continue to shed light. They were blasting zinc oxide nanoparticles with UV, and showing that it was converting UV to white light. This begs the question in my mind: Were white tires more resistant to weather checking?
 
   / Was chewing the fat and heard.... #54  
there's absolutely nothing wrong with being safe, and the motivation behind this may well be safety, but you can guarantee that any momentum behind this will be driven by money, and not safety. you know that anyone who owns a tire dealership, or a chain of them, or maybe even a tire factory (if we still have any in this country?) will be contacting his or her local representatives and telling them how they should be backing this type of bill. that representative will then push it forward along with their fellow representatives from other areas, and before long, it will look like the entire country wants it, and it will then become law. we're often too quick to jump on the bandwagon even if safety is the factor.

in the end, it will only be the lower middle class burdened by this plan. if you have the means you will probably be minimally impacted by the extra cost. if you are just barely squeaking by already, this will be one more burden putting you closer to the edge.

if you are already below this mark, then it won't matter. insurance is generally mandatory, and i can guarantee that there are a bunch of you who have been hit by an uninsured motorist even though it is law to have it. if you can't afford it, then you don't get it. the only way it even becomes an issue is when you are in an accident. if everyone carried insurance then we wouldn't have to worry about our policies having uninsured motorist coverage. you can't tell the age of a tire except by very close examination, so that will only happen after the fact too.

Odds are we would spend more initiating a plan like this than would be generated by it, since most tires are worn out before the 10 year mark.
 
   / Was chewing the fat and heard.... #55  
there's absolutely nothing wrong with being safe, and the motivation behind this may well be safety, but you can guarantee that any momentum behind this will be driven by money, and not safety. .

yup.

around here FDOT is primarily a revenue enforcement issue. if , by accident, they happen to make you safer after citing you.. it's a for sure unintended side effect of fleecing you for loose change and bill money ... :(


soundguy
 
   / Was chewing the fat and heard.... #56  
I'll keep my old tires thanks. I won't be running them at their speed or load rating to be sure.

A lot of the life span seems to be related to where you live too, tires in florida and other south hot/sunny areas don't seem to fair nearly as well as up north here. I've got snow tires kicking around that are 17ish years old, still run well as they are kept inside during summers. I was digging through my outdoor pile of spares this fall and I see a new old stock (1988ish) tire I had moved outside and laid on its side in the pile in 1998 or so has now dry rotted.
 
   / Was chewing the fat and heard.... #57  
I have a RV and tires are always a pretty hot topic on the RV forums. I had Michelin tires on my RV that were about 6 years old and badly weather checked. In researching tires I read that Michelin is bad for weather checking fast. Apparently they don't use, or don't use much, 'carbon black' in their tires which helps block UV. I was told the same thing at the tire store so there is probably something to it. I run Michelin's on my cars but have yet to notice weather checking... probably because the tires wear out from use before they get old enough. So likely something to the 'expected service' comment.

I attempted to purchase Michelin tires for my 5th whl. camper and the dealer said they did not have trailer tires for r.v. ?
I had bought a new rv and with in 250 miles a tire blew. orginal tire was like a lawn mower thickness.
then seeing the other tires were close to going also due to bulges and cracks. Tire manufacture said only orginal owner was in warrenty and dealer was orginal owner.
Had the tires removed and plug cut to keep from being used. purchase at tires for less brand that lasted for 5 years and then had them removed and they were put on my off road trailer more than 10 years ago still in use over loaded with logs rocks or what ever needed to be moved. and haven't had a flat yet.

Remember when radial tires first were being used. Arizona interstate had a sign for Sears Radials not to exceed 65 MPH due to blow outs due to heat of tires. all others could travel what ever speed they felt like.
18 whl'er tires used to blow out all the time trucks were leaving the recaps on the roads that caused accidents. Seldom see truck tires on side of road any more. There has been a change.
What changed.
ken
 
   / Was chewing the fat and heard.... #58  
Wow. My sarcasm meter just busted.

Very true. I was in WalMart today getting my 5 month old some diapers and formula. I seen a couple dip shats getting the same thing. Both had brand new clothes, $200 Tennis Shoes, Iphone 5's, and fresh tattoo's. I mean fresh, like with Vaseline still on them. Anyway I end up behind them in line and they pay with a WIC/Food Stamp Card. I pay with my debit card and proceed to the parking lot where I see them loading the items into a Yukon Denali with what has to be $6500 30" wheels and tires. The fire up the $5000 stereo and proceed to leave with the purchases they just made with your and my money.

Guess its my fault for going to WalMart on or about the 1st of the month. Boy am I stupid!

Chris

If you notice there are more and more of those entitlement people and it will probably double in the next 4 years. Money going to the not needy............Robin Hood in action.........BTW, tires should be subjected to a walk around by the owner now and then to visually look for degradation...
 
   / Was chewing the fat and heard.... #59  
If you notice there are more and more of those entitlement people and it will probably double in the next 4 years. Money going to the not needy............Robin Hood in action.........BTW, tires should be subjected to a walk around by the owner now and then to visually look for degradation...

I keep an eye on my air pressures and I am considering whether I should hit the surface of low use tires with some of that 303 Aerospace Protectant.

303® Products are the leading line of premium protectants and cleaners on the market today
 
   / Was chewing the fat and heard.... #60  
If you notice there are more and more of those entitlement people and it will probably double in the next 4 years. Money going to the not needy............Robin Hood in action.........BTW, tires should be subjected to a walk around by the owner now and then to visually look for degradation...

yep...


i work 2 jobs.. so does the wife.. when people ask me to take time off to do something I tell em I can't I got too many 'dependents' depending on my working and paying taxes, so they can get their entitlement...

:(

sad part is, I have seen peopl eset outside ont he road and beg in front of 2 businesses that are advertising to hire help.

guess washing dishes or stocking a shelf is not good enough of a job?

when i was in college, I worked assembly line work.. warehouse.. etc.. you name it... work is work...
 

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