Global Warming?

[murphy1244]

R-134a is being targeted as a greenhouse gas and the current testing in the Kyoto Treaty signed nations such as the EU and Japan a few years ago was a hybrid C02, the hybrid part I do not know. That's why that although there is no real shortage of R-134a prices have gone through the roof, companies arn't ramping up production of something that most of the world will be eliminating ASAP.

I think you mean R22.Found it. HFO-1234yf will be the replacement with very little problems.

 

[RobertBrown]

It's the same with R-12, which is heavier than air and lays on the ground when released, yet it was blamed for holes in the ozone layer 15 miles or so up. Later, the main proponent of this admitted that he was wrong, but that was after untold billions were spent switching to R-134 which as bad or worse overall, and is it's self now being phased out for an even more expensive and less efficient replacement. How much money and how many jobs are the AGW people going to piss away before they are smacked down?

Changing refrigerants creates a lot of jobs.........
Not that it's ethical.......but use your head, thats a lot of work, a lot of manufacturing.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

What is replacing R-134a?

 

[toppop52]

I think you mean R22.Found it. HFO-1234yf will be the replacement with very little problems.

No, I meant R-134a, why do people think they know what I mean better than I?

The home mechanic, looking at a can or two of R12 or R134a, may think that government concern over refrigerant is overblown. However, CFCs like R12 have been found high in the atmosphere, where they destroy ozone (since CFCs have been regulated, the ever-widening holes in the ozone layer have been healing themselves). In addition, R134a is 1,400 times as effective at trapping heat as carbon dioxide; a few leaks from a few cars would probably not have any serious impact, but there are an estimated (by the auto industry) 400 million mobile air conditioners out there.

Europe is phasing out R134a due to its relationship to global warming. Carbon dioxide, the current E.U. favorite to replace R134a, is the least powerful greenhouse-gas, but requires high pressures, and is less effective. However, in the United States, the approved replacement is HFO-1234yf. This new refrigerant is dramatically less likely to affect climate change than R134a, and while it will not be required until the 2017 model year, automakers can get greenhouse gas credits from the 2012 to 2016 model years by using it. The new gas was created by Honeywell and DuPont.

R134a, which replaced R12, lives for around 13 years in the atmosphere before breaking down; its “global warming potential” (GWP) is 1,400. 1234yf, on the other hand, breaks up in around 11 days, for a GWP of 4. It was developed to meet European Union directives, which demand a refrigerant with a GWP of less than 150.

Whether HFO-1234yf can be used as a replacement for R-134a is still unclear, but it seems unlikely, as R134a will not be banned; instead, it will have a hefty tax which will prevent frivolous use (e.g. putting in three or four cans a month) and tip the balance for many customers from “frequent refills” to “repair.”

 

[murphy1244]

No, I meant R-134a, why do people think they know what I mean better than I?

And???? I did clarify my statement.

 

[toppop52]

I think you mean R22.Found it. HFO-1234yf will be the replacement with very little problems.

Sorry, that was a clarification but not a clear clarification!

 

[Cat_Driver]

OH SO SORRY Liberals and tree hugger. BUT....NASA Study Shows Sun Responsible for Planet Warming

NASA Study Shows Sun Responsible for Planet Warming

From DailyTech, we have still more evidence that any warming occurring on planet earth is coming from natural sources and is cyclic in nature–NOT from the evil capitalism that Al Gore, the UN politicians at the IPCC and other socialists love to blame.

BUT go ahead suckers and Koolaid drinkers keep blaming HUMMERS and SUV's BWHAHAHAHAHHAHA.
For every scientis you say humans are the cause of Global warming I'll bring in 20 scientists that say you scientists are full of it.

 

[Cat_Driver]

OH SO SORRY Liberals and tree hugger. BUT....NASA Study Shows Sun Responsible for Planet Warming

NASA Study Shows Sun Responsible for Planet Warming

From DailyTech, we have still more evidence that any warming occurring on planet earth is coming from natural sources and is cyclic in natureé‹’OT from the evil capitalism that Al Gore, the UN politicians at the IPCC and other socialists love to blame.

BUT go ahead suckers and Koolaid drinkers keep blaming HUMMERS and SUV's BWHAHAHAHAHHAHA.
For every scientis you say humans are the cause of Global warming I'll bring in 20 scientists that say you scientists are full of it.

BEST LINE of the article:

The only thing tough about the global warming debate is trying to get the facts to match the socialist agenda of the AGW proponents. Try as they might, they just can’t do it, and more and more people are starting to see that.

 

[IslandTractor]

OH SO SORRY Liberals and tree hugger. BUT....NASA Study Shows Sun Responsible for Planet Warming

NASA Study Shows Sun Responsible for Planet Warming

From DailyTech, we have still more evidence that any warming occurring on planet earth is coming from natural sources and is cyclic in nature驪丹T from the evil capitalism that Al Gore, the UN politicians at the IPCC and other socialists love to blame.

BUT go ahead suckers and Koolaid drinkers keep blaming HUMMERS and SUV's BWHAHAHAHAHHAHA.
For every scientis you say humans are the cause of Global warming I'll bring in 20 scientists that say you scientists are full of it.

BEST LINE of the article:

The only thing tough about the global warming debate is trying to get the facts to match the socialist agenda of the AGW proponents. Try as they might, they just can稚 do it, and more and more people are starting to see that.

Welcome back Cat. You must have had a good rest over the past few days. Now we see you are once again digging up old news that has been previously debunked. Did you bother to read the NASA study (which is hardly news having been published several years ago). Nah, you didn't read it because your frickin' blog site doesn't even give the reference. Congratulations Cat, I'd like to sell you a bridge. And you found yet another denier blog site. Congratulations on that too.

Did ya have fun last night? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Here is some information for you to consider on the sun and global warming.

Over the last 30 years of global warming, the sun has shown a slight cooling trend. During that period the earth is warming. Sun and climate are going in opposite directions. This has led a number of scientists independently concluding that the sun cannot be the cause of recent global warming.

One of the most common and persistent climate myths is that the sun is the cause. This argument is made by cherry picking the data - showing past periods when sun and climate move together but ignoring the last few decades when the two diverge.

Here is a chart showing recent sun activity and earth warming.



Figure 1: Global temperature (red, NASA GISS) and Total solar irradiance (blue, 1880 to 1978 from Solanki, 1979 to 2009 from PMOD).