Aftermarket oil filter screw on question

[johnking]

On my newly purchased 1965 continental gas massey it already had an aftermarket screw on filter. I removed said filter and went to NAPA for a replacement filter. NAPA was super helpful(no massey dealer is close). The filter that i took off had 5 or so holes that matched up with the plate on the engine block whereas the new filter only has 2 small holes. Does this matter? Here is an ebay ad showing the type filter I removed.
SPIN ON OIL FILTER KIT MASSEY FERGUSON F40 TO30 TO35 MF30 MF35 135 150 MH50 | eBay

 

[BobG_in_VA]

Johnking...I've got a '67 mf135 with the Cont. engine/w/a spin on filter....Its a Fram PB50 unit....I have found these at TSC for about $7. Good luck.. BobG in VA

 

[MasseyWV]

Johnking...I've got a '67 mf135 with the Cont. engine/w/a spin on filter....Its a Fram PB50 unit....I have found these at TSC for about $7. Good luck.. BobG in VA

Fram oil filters are known for using a cheap internal design (cardboard) which is prone to failure. After losing a newly rebuilt car engine because of a Fram oil filter failure I'll never use them in anything again.

The following website compares the internal design of various oil filters.

http://www.lesabret.com/filters/filter.html

 

[Jerry/MT]

Most of the Continental Z engines use a partial flow oil filter. When you replace them with a spin on, there is a restrictor in the spin on filter to take the place of the control orifice in the center rod of the OEM canister filter system.
I use a NAPA(WIX) 1050 filter on our TO-30 (Z129) and it has two small holes on the face plate and a restrictor below the screw on hole and that sounds like what you have. if so, that's the corrector spin on.

 

[johnking]

Jerry, thanks. That is what I got.

 

[koamfps]

I use the NAPA gold I assume like Jerry made by Wix on my NH has worked very well for me.

 

[BobG_in_VA]

Fram oil filters are known for using a cheap internal design (cardboard) which is prone to failure. After losing a newly rebuilt car engine because of a Fram oil filter failure I'll never use them in anything again.

The following website compares the internal design of various oil filters.

LesabreT.com's Oil filter write up..

I note your website comparison tests are over 8 years old...I never lost a "high" performance engine (in relation to those that turn up only 2k rpm) to a Fram 'cause I stopped using them in auto V8s back in the 70s....don't you think you could compare to something that was somewhat more recent and therefore more relevant? PS: You can use what you want, and so will I...BobG in VA I'm pretty sure this response will throw you into a tizzy, but pls remain calm..no intent to start a flame war.

 

[MasseyWV]

I note your website comparison tests are over 8 years old...I never lost a "high" performance engine (in relation to those that turn up only 2k rpm) to a Fram 'cause I stopped using them in auto V8s back in the 70s....don't you think you could compare to something that was somewhat more recent and therefore more relevant? PS: You can use what you want, and so will I...BobG in VA I'm pretty sure this response will throw you into a tizzy, but pls remain calm..no intent to start a flame war.

My post was meant to be helpful but it seems that you took it a bit personal because I countered your advice with a warning.

The information I provided about Fram oil filters and their poor internal construction is just as relevant today as it was then, a fact that I confirmed prior to posting it. The link was only meant to help illustrate the bad experience I had with Fram oil filters which caused an engine failure, but if you insist on seeing something more recent it's not difficult to find.

Mar 19, 2012: ( WARNING ) For You Fram Oil Filter Lover's.YouTube - YouTube

May 24, 2012: FRAM Lovers: Take a Second Look! - YouTube

Jun 25, 2012: purolator vs fram oil filters - YouTube

Found via: inside fram oil filter 2012 - Google Search

BTW: The following video shows what a Fram oil filter looks like when it fails, which happens to be very similar to what I found after cutting apart a new Fram oil filter (less than 50 miles on it) that failed and destroyed a newly rebuilt car engine.

Oct 8, 2010: Fram Oil Filter Failure, High Performance 2804-1 VW Ferrari DSCN0625 - YouTube

 

[BobG_in_VA]

On my newly purchased 1965 continental gas massey it already had an aftermarket screw on filter. I removed said filter and went to NAPA for a replacement filter. NAPA was super helpful(no massey dealer is close). The filter that i took off had 5 or so holes that matched up with the plate on the engine block whereas the new filter only has 2 small holes. Does this matter? Here is an ebay ad showing the type filter I removed.
SPIN ON OIL FILTER KIT MASSEY FERGUSON F40 TO30 TO35 MF30 MF35 135 150 MH50 | eBay

johnking....sorry about the intervening crap that completely lost the original thread intent...again...the units that you find that will convert your tractor to a spin on oil filter will in MOST cases provide a Fram PB50 filter...I didn't make any value judgements based on your inquiry. Mine came with the Fram. I've had no problems with it....oil pressure is good...engine runs good. Nuff said...Hope this helps you in your quest. BobG in VA

 

[MasseyWV]

johnking....sorry about the intervening crap that completely lost the original thread intent...again...the units that you find that will convert your tractor to a spin on oil filter will in MOST cases provide a Fram PB50 filter...I didn't make any value judgements based on your inquiry. Mine came with the Fram. I've had no problems with it....oil pressure is good...engine runs good. Nuff said...Hope this helps you in your quest. BobG in VA

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but could you please explain how pointing out that Fram oil filters (which come with most spin-on kits) might fail is "crap" and "completely lost" to the original intent of this thread?

You asked for more recent evidence and I provided precisely that.

 

[The kid]

My post was meant to be helpful but it seems that you took it a bit personal because I countered your advice with a warning.

The information I provided about Fram oil filters and their poor internal construction is just as relevant today as it was then, a fact that I confirmed prior to posting it. The link was only meant to help illustrate the bad experience I had with Fram oil filters which caused an engine failure, but if you insist on seeing something more recent it's not difficult to find.

Mar 19, 2012: ( WARNING ) For You Fram Oil Filter Lover's.YouTube - YouTube

May 24, 2012: FRAM Lovers: Take a Second Look! - YouTube

Jun 25, 2012: purolator vs fram oil filters - YouTube

Found via: inside fram oil filter 2012 - Google Search

BTW: The following video shows what a Fram oil filter looks like when it fails, which happens to be very similar to what I found after cutting apart a new Fram oil filter (less than 50 miles on it) that failed and destroyed a newly rebuilt car engine.

Oct 8, 2010: Fram Oil Filter Failure, High Performance 2804-1 VW Ferrari DSCN0625 - YouTube

Show us some data on a Massey Ferguson tractor failing with a spin on oil filter. You links may reference auto engines, but tractor RPM's run at a much slower rate. I would really like to see proof of your warning on tractors and said filter. If not then your warning pertaining to this thread on tractors is not gospel. No need to be chicken little here.

 

[The kid]

On my newly purchased 1965 continental gas massey it already had an aftermarket screw on filter. I removed said filter and went to NAPA for a replacement filter. NAPA was super helpful(no massey dealer is close). The filter that i took off had 5 or so holes that matched up with the plate on the engine block whereas the new filter only has 2 small holes. Does this matter? Here is an ebay ad showing the type filter I removed.
SPIN ON OIL FILTER KIT MASSEY FERGUSON F40 TO30 TO35 MF30 MF35 135 150 MH50 | eBay

John, I'd go back with the same as you have and illustrated. The more circulation the better. More holes, IMHO would produce a higher flow rate. That doesn't mean less holes works any less. The filter with less holes may have less restrictive flow rate.

 

[Mike476]

I've been considering going to a spin on filter but I can't seem to get over the risk of it being damaged while in the woods. Has anyone with this set-up who uses their tractor for woods work ever had an issue?

 

[The kid]

I've been considering going to a spin on filter but I can't seem to get over the risk of it being damaged while in the woods. Has anyone with this set-up who uses their tractor for woods work ever had an issue?

Is the kit for the Perkins work on the Continental? I've thought about it as well, but haven't seen one that said it was for the Continental.

 

[johnking]

Is the kit for the Perkins work on the Continental? I've thought about it as well, but haven't seen one that said it was for the Continental.

Yes, mine is a continental.

 

[stingray1]

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but could you please explain how pointing out that Fram oil filters (which come with most spin-on kits) might fail is "crap" and "completely lost" to the original intent of this thread?

You asked for more recent evidence and I provided precisely that.

You hit then nail on the head.Fram oil filters are junk, I know this from personal experience.

 

[Soundguy]

You hit then nail on the head.Fram oil filters are junk, I know this from personal experience.

everyone is allowed to believe what they want. I'll preface my post with that.

I've a fleet of just over 20 tractors.. and a few automobiles. My 98 dodge ram truck ran from 99 to the beginning of 2012 with fram, and then fram tough guard oil filters.. instaleld by me. when i got it nearly new.. it had a fram on it. I sold it to work earlier this year after I got another diesel... I gave them the one extra filter I had for it. it got an oil change using that filter recently. it will likely get a napa filter on it next as that is what work uses. truck has over 200K on it now. PS.. the truck also got walmart supertech 10w30 oil with no extra additives.. no stp.. etc. just 3000-3500mile oil changes with filter, including a fram air fitler.

my 2000 yukon had the same, with a couple exceptions. the first 2 ys it got dealer svc oil changes for free.. thus ac delco fitlers. after that it got supertech oil and fram fitlers.. then about a year ago the wife started taking it to the quick change palce.. and the filters are some unknown brand that looks like purolator if I had to guess.. after they overchargerd her i switched back to my own oil svc... am inthe process of trying a different oil right now.. not due to lube problems.. just some personal research on consumption based on miles in that 5.3 vortec. during this time I've switched to ac delco fitlers again. i can actually get them as cheap as fram...

of my tractors... with the exception of the 2 larger diesels.. they run cnh filters.. thought one of them came used of course.. with a fram.

all the others with spin on or common cartridge get fram. I have a couple rowcrops and laoder models I run a super tech as it is lower profile. and fits easier... most of those are getting walmart oil now.. though in the past I have used napa hpouse brand and traveler TSC brand.. whatever was cheaper. i do have a couple units using a special diesel oil, and one on a synthetic oil since I went thru the engine earlier this year.

I used to cut fitlers open to just look at them. after a couple years it became a chore... int he end.. not much difference.

only times I've had a lube issue on a tractor is when napa made a filter for the repalcement of the fram c159 fitler that is a floss media packed filter.. and napa decided to make it a peper pleat, and allis chalmers machines everywhere lost oil pressure well.. the fram floss filter still worked fine..


I use napa oil fitlers for my power stroke diesels... havn't seen a fram replacement anyway.. thought the nap is cheap enough.

i think alot of people get worked up about ancedotal evidence.. still.. it's anyone's discretion to run any oil. expensive or not. I think some are too spendy.. won't hurt.. probably can't help.. but whatever..

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

I've been considering going to a spin on filter but I can't seem to get over the risk of it being damaged while in the woods. Has anyone with this set-up who uses their tractor for woods work ever had an issue?

any machine I get that has a factor cannister with cartridge.. i leave it on. it's thicker metal than a spin on.

i HAVE had a spin on poked or dented by a stick before. some just cosmetically.. some enough to make the seal leak. IMHO.. canister is better setup./ thicker metal..e tc. your call. probably such a close % issue anyway will lielky not make a useable differance.

 

[WilliamBos]

any machine I get that has a factor cannister with cartridge.. i leave it on. it's thicker metal than a spin on.

i HAVE had a spin on poked or dented by a stick before. some just cosmetically.. some enough to make the seal leak. IMHO.. canister is better setup./ thicker metal..e tc. your call. probably such a close % issue anyway will lielky not make a useable differance.

I have heard that the canister filters actually filter better that the spin on filters. Maybe more filter area? Alit of companies are going back that way.

 

[Soundguy]

ive never measured surface area of media in a machine that had cartridge or spin on media .. but guess I could on next oil change. for instance.. a napa 1452 and a 1004 are spin on and cartridge filters for common ford tractors from 55-64 I have plenty of each type machine ( fram # ph8a and ch6pl ).. next oil change I'll cut can and delampinate filter media to measure surface area.

soundguy