How would you handle this neighbor issue?

[bcp]

I really don't want to put up any fence since it would serve no purpose other then to cut the wind which isn't always a good thing. Air flow in and around the vineyards is very beneficial. That is why I removed the trees along the road, putting up other trees or physical barriers doesn't really help my long term goal. I will mark the boundry with posts and keep it posted though.

Three strands of barbed wire or field fence won't stop much wind and makes a lot better boundary than a few posts.

Bruce

 

[chkntrktr]

Sounds to me like the wife runs things. She probably told him not to talk to you. I bet he got a pat on the head and a "good boy" when he went home and told her what he did to you.
I hope it works out for you. It sounds like they have a good neighbor and don't realize it. BTW I believe I would leave those trees, if they really want to see them they can drive closer.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Three strands of barbed wire or field fence won't stop much wind and makes a lot better boundary than a few posts.

Bruce

That is true, the wind comment was to another poster who mentioned putting up a privacy fence.

Three strands of barbed wire will just cost me more money for no purpose. I really don't care if they cross the boundry as long as their not damaging anything. I just didn't want to cause problems by assuming the boundry was somewhere which is what started this situation, I tried to talk to the neighbor to ask him. Its like night and day on this property. These people are mine mine mine and dont appear to have much money. The other side they have plenty of money and are a "borrow anything you need" type. I went from talking to one neighbor for an hour today and having a great time to attempting to talk to another neighbor and getting upset.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Sounds to me like the wife runs things. She probably told him not to talk to you. I bet he got a pat on the head and a "good boy" when he went home and told her what he did to you.
I hope it works out for you. It sounds like they have a good neighbor and don't realize it. BTW I believe I would leave those trees, if they really want to see them they can drive closer.

I have been leaning towards leaving the trees as well. Its mostly locust and cherry. The locust will get cut to make posts for the vineyard as needed and the cherry will most likely go to firewood for my grandfather as needed (the locust tops will go to firewood to another friend). I just don't need to clear cut it right now as it will just keep replenishing my post pile and even though it can't keep up with my demand it will save me around $4 for every post I cut. Plus the larger the locust tree is then I use them for end posts. I have a couple 10" round solid locust posts all peeled and planted for end posts already with a bunch of 7-9" posts ready for replacing other end posts as needed. Those posts won't be going anywhere for a very, very long time :laughing:

 

[newbury]

I gotta tell ya... very few people can afford to "have a lawyer". In fact, it's rarely done these days. 'Having' a lawyer means you have him on retainer. You're paying all the time to keep his attention. If they mean they 'have the name of a lawyer' well... we all do. It's called the phone book.

I have a lawyer, on call 24/7. She also cooks and does laundry for me and bore 3 children by me. I believe everybody in her immediate family considers that they "have a lawyer" - her. There are also people who "have a lawyer" because they frequently get in trouble and need one.

That neighbor sounds suspicious, almost as if they have been using a strip of the OP's property and are worried about being "found out".

Surveys should be done BEFORE the property is signed sealed and delivered. If a property has not had a formal registered survey recorded there is no telling what the boundaries are. We just bought a piece that was supposed to be 70 acres and turned out to be 67, but we knew that before we signed.

Conversely the house we bought just before that (and is surrounded by the 67 acre plot) was advertised as on 2.5 acres, and it's actually 3.5.

 

[edlegault]

Robert_in_NY:

1. You DO need to be worried about neighbor crossing over onto your property. This website is full of bad stories.

2. Run (don't walk) to the local courthouse (or where ever the property records are kept) and look up both the legal description of your property and the legal description of your neighbor's property. Try to find any history of past legal surveys.

3. If you don't have a legal survey with legal markers, then nobody knows where the property boundaries are.

(sigh) For anyone else contemplating buying property... make sure you know beforehand where the legal boundaries are located. Do not rely on seller's or neighbors' verbal description ("runs right over thar...")

 

[joshuabardwell]

I just didn't want to cause problems by assuming the boundry was somewhere which is what started this situation, I tried to talk to the neighbor to ask him.

As much as it stinks to have to shell out for a survey, it's my policy to always make sure I have valid survey results before doing any construction anywhere near a property line. Even if me and the neighbor both agree on where the property line is, what if we're both wrong? I'd hate to give up any property that was legally mine. And, even worse, what if I put up a fence or dig a ditch or what-have-you, and years from now it turns out the neighbor decides the property is actually his, and the survey turns out to validate him? Too much of a risk to take, IMO. Even if you're on good terms with your neighbors, they may die or move away, and whoever replaces them may be a nightmare. If a survey wasn't done before the property was purchased, my policy is to have a survey done, pins set and/or marked, and so forth. Then, it doesn't matter what my neighbor thinks--I know I won't be moving a fence line three feet to the left a year from now.

Sorry your neighbors seem to be so rude. Best of luck dealing with them--or not.

 

[dmccarty]

Reminds me of Kim Darby "little Mattie" in the original True Grit. and always threatening people with her lawyer J. Noble Dagget

Strother Martin-the horse dealer: "she pulls him like a gun!" :laughing:

James K0UA

Yes, but J. Nobile Dagget was real and he did show up. :thumbsup:

To the OP, the neighbors are idiots. Do what you can to avoid them while protecting your property. I would have been ticked with the lawn mower incident. Just flat out rude and disrespectful.

Later,
Dan

 

[JerryK]

Hiring a respected survey company to come in and mark the boundries is a WISE investment to any property purchase. If you are going with the " post every 100' " idea, you can have the survey company put markers in every 100'. I would have the posts put in immediatly after the survey to insure accurate placement [ no survey stakes wandering ] and be done with it. Then you will know for sure where your lines are for the rest of your life, and be done with it. As far as drainage, if you have room, you could dig a retention area out in the back that you could ditch to. May be handy to have a source of water in the future for your vineyard operations.... might not keep your neighbor from tossing in his sleep... but that is not your problem.

 

[forgeblast]

Love bossy neighbors, but the saying about good fences is true. (or at least a good boundry marker Less contact will mean less stress, if you do suspect tresspassing issues game came might work.
Do you fence in the grapes?
Do the deer cause problems?

 

[bdeboer]

I have been dealing with neighbor that pulled a corner pin and hammered it back (could see the marks on the cap) for 10 years. The 100' markers posts have been removed by them etc. Stick with your survery plan and make the posts as permanent as possible.

My other concern would be spraying, as they will probably give you issues with that.

 

[Little_Grizzly]

I have been dealing with neighbor that pulled a corner pin and hammered it back (could see the marks on the cap) for 10 years. The 100' markers posts have been removed by them etc. Stick with your survery plan and make the posts as permanent as possible.

A good surveyor can put in witness monuments so that the corner can be re-established. This is done all the time where the corner is in a bad spot that would likely get damaged (ex. middle of a road way or creek bed). The witness monuments can be hidden too - buried on your property.

 

[s219]

What if he was yelling "no brakes, can't stop, watch out!!!" ?

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Love bossy neighbors, but the saying about good fences is true. (or at least a good boundry marker Less contact will mean less stress, if you do suspect tresspassing issues game came might work.
Do you fence in the grapes?
Do the deer cause problems?

No, we don't fence the vineyards. The deer really don't affect enough to even consider justifying fencing.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

I have been dealing with neighbor that pulled a corner pin and hammered it back (could see the marks on the cap) for 10 years. The 100' markers posts have been removed by them etc. Stick with your survery plan and make the posts as permanent as possible.

My other concern would be spraying, as they will probably give you issues with that.

Their far enough away and the wind usually blows from their direction so spraying shouldn't be an issue. Were in one of the largest grape growing regions in the us and for the most part new york protects us farmers unless we do something really stupid.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

What if he was yelling "no brakes, can't stop, watch out!!!" ?

Its on flat ground, he had an older mower but stopping shouldn't have been an issue as he saw me with plenty of time to coast to a stop. I thought about if the mower was hard to start and he didn't want to shut it off but I have put things in neutral and stepped away to talk to people before.

 

[9973720wb19]

The best way to deal with idiots is to avoid them. On your property you have the right to do as you please so long as you don't break any laws.

THIS IS THE BEST PRACTICE AND ADVICE! The more each of you know about the other...the worst it will become. things are new to each of you and each party is trying to make sure everyone's interest is heard. Just keep your distance - things will settle down. you didn't buy the property because you need them and they aren't there because they need you...