Rear tire leaking rimguard

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It's just not even something to bring up, for or against the original argument.
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Unbelievable. If you were trying to move a tree out of the road and Archimedes came up and said "give me a long enough lever and a place to stand and I'll move the earth" Would you say. "what's that got to do with this tree"? and then berate him and call him a clown for making the statement? The op asked if the rim guard would leak out with more pressure. I said no so he could fill the tire with more air and perhaps seal the leak w/o worry about "air pressure" if indeed the tire had insufficient air to retain bead to rim causing the leak. Knowing that Archimedes never could move the earth fell in the same vein that I knew no amount of air would influence the rim guard so do not be afraid to add air. That was my original suggestion and if the rim wasn't bent or had something lodged between bead and rim, it was the simplest and used a freakin analogy to ease concern if the op had any.
I realize that a man in your position would be more literal, exact minded and mathematical in his approach to things but you should not apply that mindset to my analogy or perhaps any analogy for that matter.

 

[s219]

I don't have any problem with practical solutions. I have a problem when screwed up information gets passed around and gets in the way of a practical solution. Some of the understanding of fluids, liquids, and gasses mentioned here is just nuts.

I think posts #3 and #4 offer a good practical solution, and I wouldn't go any further than that.

 

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I don't have any problem with practical solutions. I have a problem when screwed up information gets passed around and gets in the way of a practical solution. Some of the understanding of fluids, liquids, and gasses mentioned here is just nuts.

I think posts #3 and #4 offer a good practical solution, and I wouldn't go any further than that.

Not a thing got in the way except your own head. 1. First fill the tire and see if leak goes away. 2. Is it ok to fill the tire or will the air push fluid out? No, the air will not push it out as it is not a high pressured entity such as a hydraulic system nor do liquids compress as easily as air. Nothing will come squirting out. As I said, you are of a certain nature that seems to not allow for off beat comparisons as they "get in the way" for you. That's fine. I have seen info on this forum that could get people killed they were so uninformed. That is far from the case here so why don't you get off your high horse and come back down to earth.

 

[s219]

Not a thing got in the way except your own head. 1. First fill the tire and see if leak goes away. 2. Is it ok to fill the tire or will the air push fluid out? No, the air will not push it out as it is not a high pressured entity such as a hydraulic system nor do liquids compress as easily as air. Nothing will come squirting out. As I said, you are of a certain nature that seems to not allow for off beat comparisons as they "get in the way" for you. That's fine. I have seen info on this forum that could get people killed they were so uninformed. That is far from the case here so why don't you get off your high horse and come back down to earth.

Give me a break. This is what you wrote before, which is completely ludicrous:

Because the Rim Guard is not pressured sufficiently enough with the rather small area of air which is pressured. If it were high pressured, it would turn with the wheel. Personally, I think it is always a good idea to use a tube for liquid in rears. I've had calcium in my rears for 25 yrs with nary a mishap using tubes.

Never mind my "high horse" background -- anybody with common sense should object to that. The tire/wheel rotates around the sloshing liquid/air in the tire. Nothing could ever make it "turn with the wheel". Pressure has nothing to do with it.

I have no problem with the reasonable advice you offered. But when you start spouting nonsense about fluids, then I have a problem.

 

[xtn]

Never mind my "high horse" background -- anybody with common sense should object to that. The tire/wheel rotates around the sloshing liquid/air in the tire. Nothing could ever make it "turn with the wheel". Pressure has nothing to do with it.

Yup:

1. Increased air pressure could not cause the rimguard to leak faster. Yes it could. There are sets of circumstances which would result in exactly that event. Example: slow drip leak cause by grit or other obstruction between rim and tire. Increased pressure might seal it up better, but it might not, and if it doesn't it's going to increase the flow rate.

2. Enough pressure will lock the two fluids into position such that they will rotate with the tire? Holy crap anybody who thinks that has no authority to ever make any claims based on physics at all whatsoever ever. Regardless of the pressure in a vessel, the heavier fluid will fall to the bottom, and the lighter will rise. You don't have to think of this as "displacement," but instead - to help you understand - think of it as "switching placesment."

3. Well now something COULD make it turn with the wheel. The right combination of rotational speed, friction, viscosity and centripetal force would have the air hugging the inside of the rim and the rimguard filling the outer part of the tire all the way around. Please note that nowhere in this explanation did I say that pressure would have any effect. Arrow, that last bit is for you. Oh and all of #2 above is for you too. Oh and all of #1 also.

xtn

 

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Give me a break. This is what you wrote before, which is completely ludicrous:



Never mind my "high horse" background -- anybody with common sense should object to that. The tire/wheel rotates around the sloshing liquid/air in the tire. Nothing could ever make it "turn with the wheel". Pressure has nothing to do with it.

I have no problem with the reasonable advice you offered. But when you start spouting nonsense about fluids, then I have a problem.

You want a break? then give me one as well. You should have no problem with what I said because I know what I said was untrue from the start just as you should have no problem with what Archimedes stated, as ludicrous as that may have sounded. I tried to explain this several times.
Of course I knew that could never happen in a tire but it was my way of stating increasing pressures were nothing to be concerned about. Not knowing me and my personality, could cause you to think I'm a flaming lunatic but my head is simply in a different place and I get pictures in there that are humorous to me and I sometimes share those. That's all it is. If you knew me then you could call me a clown but I have trouble with what I think are disparaging utterances from some of the know it alls around here without knowing the individuals we are trying to communicate with.
I will pm you with a question if you don't mind because now you've made me curious about one of your statements as it relates to pressure.

 

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Yup:

1. Increased air pressure could not cause the rimguard to leak faster. Yes it could. There are sets of circumstances which would result in exactly that event. Example: slow drip leak cause by grit or other obstruction between rim and tire. Increased pressure might seal it up better, but it might not, and if it doesn't it's going to increase the flow rate.

2. Enough pressure will lock the two fluids into position such that they will rotate with the tire? Holy crap anybody who thinks that has no authority to ever make any claims based on physics at all whatsoever ever. Regardless of the pressure in a vessel, the heavier fluid will fall to the bottom, and the lighter will rise. You don't have to think of this as "displacement," but instead - to help you understand - think of it as "switching placesment."

3. Well now something COULD make it turn with the wheel. The right combination of rotational speed, friction, viscosity and centripetal force would have the air hugging the inside of the rim and the rimguard filling the outer part of the tire all the way around. Please note that nowhere in this explanation did I say that pressure would have any effect. Arrow, that last bit is for you. Oh and all of #2 above is for you too. Oh and all of #1 also.

xtn

Well, thank you for all that xtn. You shoudn't have. Please read the post above. I am a bit confused with your exclamations however. S219 states pressures have nothing to do with it and your first word seems to agree with that. "Yup" you say but go on to state they can. If the liquid cannot be compressed as the air would, how could the air force out more ballast? Wouldn't the leak increase or decrease based on the weight of the ballast itself and where the leak was in relation to the ballast if indeed liquids are so difficult if not impossible with these amounts of air pressure to compress?

 

[p0peye]

Well I thought I would give everyone a update on the leak. It seems the rear tire was low on air which caused the tire to flex at the rim hence the leak. All that was needed was to hose down the tire rim real good then put in 30lbs of air in the tire and I had to leave it for a few days due to the weather. Today was the first day of use and I worked the tractor for about 3 hours and NO LEAK to be seen anywhere. So it seems I lucked out with the fix just adding air which I should of checked first but I thought the leak was from the rear seal until I notice the fluid which looked like hyd fluid was reddish which made me think rim guard . Thanks to everyone that gave advice I really appreciate it.

 

[AKfish]

Well I thought I would give everyone a update on the leak. It seems the rear tire was low on air which caused the tire to flex at the rim hence the leak. All that was needed was to hose down the tire rim real good then put in 30lbs of air in the tire and I had to leave it for a few days due to the weather. Today was the first day of use and I worked the tractor for about 3 hours and NO LEAK to be seen anywhere. So it seems I lucked out with the fix just adding air which I should of checked first but I thought the leak was from the rear seal until I notice the fluid which looked like hyd fluid was reddish which made me think rim guard . Thanks to everyone that gave advice I really appreciate it.

Thanks for the update. Glad to hear that the solution was "quick and painless"...

(Although, it feels like the journey to get there - wasn't quite as "painless"!) :laughing:

AKfish

 

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Thanks for the update. Glad to hear that the solution was "quick and painless"...

(Although, it feels like the journey to get there - wasn't quite as "painless"!) :laughing:

AKfish

I personally enjoyed every minute of it and made some great friends even though it took 16,000 Lbs of air pressure. Glad yours was a simple solution pOpeye.