5083E Running Duals?

[RedNeckRacin]

Gods of TBN, I have been wondering if it is even possible to put duals on my '11 5083E? I have the wheels set at the widest stance right now, but even with a 2400 lb counter weight, I have managed to figure out how to pick up the rear end with my 563 loader:thumbsup:. Anyways, what brought this question about was my FIL asked me to disc a couple corn fields that are close to my tractor, they just happen to be 16ft discs. The good news is, the discs have hydraulic wings that I can pick up if they are too much drag. I have ALWAYS run out of traction before I have run out of horsepower. (I'm working on running out of horsepower) SO I was sort of wondering how in the world I would attach them to the utility wheels. (dished offset wheels) My FIL has suggested welding some eyelets on the rims and using turn buckles-which just about turns my stomach welding on brand new rims.


Maybe I'm just crazy for thinking about duals on a utility tractor?

 

[AKfish]

Well... I've seen duals on a JD 3020 before! About the same hp and wt., etc. If you're serious - might end up having to buy a matched set - all 4; rims and tires.

How about Rimguard filled rears? You can also fill the fronts and get some added pull there. (You'll be pulling that disc in 4x4, anyways..)

AKfish

 

[MattLynch]

There are companies that make universal fit dual clamps/brackets, so installing duals is no problem. My 5093 pulls a 15' or so set of disks ok but duals would be really nice in wet spots. I have looked into duals but I worry if the tractor itself can handle them. If you do it post pics and let us know how it works out!

 

[Tx Jim]

RedNeckRacin
Google DMI & Unverferth dual wheels

 

[sixdogs]

I have a JD 5520 which is mostly the same tractor and the owner's manual specifically advises against duals. I would still attempt it if the duals were for flotation purposes but the demands of hard tillage could snap the axles. Maybe call a big dealer and ask a shop mechanic.
I put heavy ply Firestone radials on mine and the pulling power is dramatically improved. Now I can pull an 8 shank JD #100 chisel plow if I add weight. I have cast rear centers, a total of four rear weights and I can add up to eight 100 lb front end weights. Works for me.

 

[MattLynch]

I didn't see anything in the 5E manual about duals, but it is a pretty light duty tractor for its hp range.

 

[rambler]

Don't know if the tractor is built for it or not, not familiar with JD's newer models, but I'm sure 'clamp on' or 'band' duals would be easy to fix on, they replace the bolts on the rim with eye bolts, and use long hooks to clamp the dual to the exsisting rim. there is a metal tube that sits between the rims for spacing. Clamp it all together with the long hook bolts.

--->Paul

 

[sixdogs]

I didn't see anything in the 5E manual about duals, but it is a pretty light duty tractor for its hp range.

Well, yours may be different. I don't have time to search right now but I believe mine was under the tire section. Maybe enough guys just went ahead and did it so they figured it was OK.

 

[RedNeckRacin]

Well, yours may be different. I don't have time to search right now but I believe mine was under the tire section. Maybe enough guys just went ahead and did it so they figured it was OK.

Well I am thinking that I'm gonna run out of horsepower long before I run out of traction except in the wet spots. Im still going to try and pull it with the wings down on the discs. I dont really do any heavy farming to justify a much bigger tractor. I assumed that going with 83 hp was going to be more than enough for anything I was going to get into. The loader is more than enough for what I actually use it for. I actually talked to the dealership today and he advised against the duals. I was thinking it was more of a liability thing. I was thinking it was a interesting idea more than a serious question to add them.

So is there anyway to maybe pick up another 20 hp? I already have the rear tires loaded with the beet juice, supposedly 12lb/gal. IIRC which gives me around 1752lbs in the rears. I dont have the fronts loaded (although I have toyed with the idea) I do have 4 suitcase weights I'm def going to throw on. I pulled out my FIL's combine the other day pretty easily, but I def left 6" deep trenches for about 20'

 

[Edward. S]

Well I am thinking that I'm gonna run out of horsepower long before I run out of traction except in the wet spots. Im still going to try and pull it with the wings down on the discs. I dont really do any heavy farming to justify a much bigger tractor. I assumed that going with 83 hp was going to be more than enough for anything I was going to get into. The loader is more than enough for what I actually use it for. I actually talked to the dealership today and he advised against the duals. I was thinking it was more of a liability thing. I was thinking it was a interesting idea more than a serious question to add them.

So is there anyway to maybe pick up another 20 hp? I already have the rear tires loaded with the beet juice, supposedly 12lb/gal. IIRC which gives me around 1752lbs in the rears. I dont have the fronts loaded (although I have toyed with the idea) I do have 4 suitcase weights I'm def going to throw on. I pulled out my FIL's combine the other day pretty easily, but I def left 6" deep trenches for about 20'

You could try turning up the fuel pump. Ask your dealer if it would be ok first.

 

[Bigfoot62]

. . .
So is there anyway to maybe pick up another 20 hp? . . .

Yep, you can trade it in on a 5105M.

Seriously, I really don't know.
If that's a mechanically injected engine, you could possibly advance the timing, install larger fuel injectors, bigger turbocharger, add intercooler (if it doesn't have one), etc.
How deep are your pockets? You can usually get more horses out of any engine, if you're willing to pay for them.

 

[Edward. S]

Yep, you can trade it in on a 5105M.

Seriously, I really don't know.
If that's a mechanically injected engine, you could possibly advance the timing, install larger fuel injectors, bigger turbocharger, add intercooler (if it doesn't have one), etc.
How deep are your pockets? You can usually get more horses out of any engine, if you're willing to pay for them.

Or a beastly 6330 Premium or 6430 Premium

 

[Verticaltrx]

Well... I've seen duals on a JD 3020 before! About the same hp and wt., etc. If you're serious - might end up having to buy a matched set - all 4; rims and tires.

How about Rimguard filled rears? You can also fill the fronts and get some added pull there. (You'll be pulling that disc in 4x4, anyways..)

AKfish

A 3020 is a LOT more tractor than the 5000 series Deeres, row crop tractor vs utility. Also the 3020 had rack and pinion axles that were much better suited to duals.



To the OP, if you really want duals what you need are snap-on or clamp-on duals. They will have a ring that goes between the two sets of duals and long bolts to clamp it all together. I personally wouldn't recommend it on that tractor, however.

FWIW, we used to pull a 14' disc with a 65hp 2wd JD 2550 and it handle it well. Sounds to me like you might be trying to disc in conditions that you shouldn't be.

 

[Edward. S]

A 3020 is a LOT more tractor than the 5000 series Deeres, row crop tractor vs utility. Also the 3020 had rack and pinion axles that were much better suited to duals.



To the OP, if you really want duals what you need are snap-on or clamp-on duals. They will have a ring that goes between the two sets of duals and long bolts to clamp it all together. I personally wouldn't recommend it on that tractor, however.

FWIW, we used to pull a 14' disc with a 65hp 2wd JD 2550 and it handle it well. Sounds to me like you might be trying to disc in conditions that you shouldn't be.

It really depends on how beefy the disk is, Our 637 is a big girl, she can lug down the 6420 in 5 seconds or even less. And the disk isn't very big. It weighs a ton though, big beefy frame, 4 tires, looks like the metal on it is like 3''x5'' square tubing. If the disk was flimsy and light you could pull it. . Our 637 is just down sized from the big 3 section and 5 section disks.

 

[RedNeckRacin]

Yep, you can trade it in on a 5105M.

Seriously, I really don't know.
If that's a mechanically injected engine, you could possibly advance the timing, install larger fuel injectors, bigger turbocharger, add intercooler (if it doesn't have one), etc.
How deep are your pockets? You can usually get more horses out of any engine, if you're willing to pay for them.

Well, I dont really have bottomless pockets. But boy do I wish I did. The discs aren't even mine, Just trying to help out the FIL. The duals idea was sort of floating around in my head and I figured it would be something fun to kick around. I've pretty much decided against them. I just can't see tearing up a brand new tractor just trying to help someone out who doesn't have a nickel in her.

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Originally Posted by AKfish
Well... I've seen duals on a JD 3020 before! About the same hp and wt., etc. If you're serious - might end up having to buy a matched set - all 4; rims and tires.

How about Rimguard filled rears? You can also fill the fronts and get some added pull there. (You'll be pulling that disc in 4x4, anyways..)

AKfish


A 3020 is a LOT more tractor than the 5000 series Deeres, row crop tractor vs utility. Also the 3020 had rack and pinion axles that were much better suited to duals.



To the OP, if you really want duals what you need are snap-on or clamp-on duals. They will have a ring that goes between the two sets of duals and long bolts to clamp it all together. I personally wouldn't recommend it on that tractor, however.

FWIW, we used to pull a 14' disc with a 65hp 2wd JD 2550 and it handle it well. Sounds to me like you might be trying to disc in conditions that you shouldn't be.

I'm absolutely going to try and pull a set of 16' transport discs they are a John deere something or other. I'll have to get a model number for you guys so you can get a good chuckle knowing that Im biting off more than I can chew.

I actually stopped in and talked to the dealer. He didn't see a problem with the duals but said why not just get a bigger older tractor for all the more i'm gonna use it? He also said that for a comparision that 4WD only gives you an equivalent of about 20 more hp to compare it to a 2WD. I'm sort of skeptical of that number (not that I know any better) because of the ratings on the Woods 3pt blades. There is a substantial difference in the reccomended Hp range on their products. I realize they are "CYA" mode but even still, there has to be some validity to it? I was thinking it would be more of a percentage than a set number?

 

[sixdogs]

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I actually stopped in and talked to the dealer. He didn't see a problem with the duals but said why not just get a bigger older tractor for all the more i'm gonna use it? ....

Well, you now have a reason to buy a second tractor. See how problems solve themselves?

 

[RedNeckRacin]

Well, you now have a reason to buy a second tractor. See how problems solve themselves?

Don't tempt me six, Im already trying to figure out to get an excavator figured into my expenses. If it wasn't for my student loans, I'd probably be looking at a decent sized piece of iron. Paying those loans off eats a big portion of my pay check up every month! Not to mention I eat like a horse

 

[MattLynch]

I run out of traction long before I ever run out of power. If you want more power you could just get the dealer to re-rate your engine to 5101E spec.

 

[sixdogs]

I keep saying my JD 5520 with 18.4 x 34 radials will out pull a weaker tractor with bias duals and has matched my tractor HP to tillage demands. They are a beast of a tire. Not cheap but I lucked into them before the price went up.

 

[RedNeckRacin]

I run out of traction long before I ever run out of power. If you want more power you could just get the dealer to re-rate your engine to 5101E spec.

I can do that??? I was almost positive it was the exact same block and frame, just different fueling for the HP. I'm gonna cross my fingers and hope that my dealer is willing enought to do that! It would be so much easier than buying another tractor or trying to figure out something else like NOS or propane injection!