New Max series...
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XSKIER
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A Deere 1023e is $10,400 in SE Michigan.
AchingBack
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However, you get what you pay for:
# 46% More lift capacity than Kubota BX 2360 (Max Lift)
# 44% More lift capacity than John Deere 1023E (Max Lift)
# 16% More pump flow than Kubota BX 2360 & John Deere 1023E (Max Hydraulic Capacity)
# 28% Lower engine RPM than Kubota 2360 & John Deere 1023E (Max Engine Life -- This means quieter operation and longer life.)
# 18% More built in weight than Kubota BX2360 and 14% more than John Deere 1023E (Max Weight - for better stability and safety.)
# 4% Shorter turning radius than Kubota BX2360 and 5% shorter than John Deere 1023E (Max is Best in Class)
# Less horsepower loss from engine to PTO, means more power to PTO to get more done
# Larger tires for better traction and stability
# Full frame tractor, cast iron center section - built like A REAL TRACTOR and can take a Backhoe at anytime.
XSKIER
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It's true that the new "max" tractors are in between the industry's current offerings of SCUTs and CUTs. It may be the sweet spot for some shoppers. The guy asked for a competitive price, and that's what I gave. I think that info copied in the previous post is kind of inflated:
http://www.mahindrausa.com/Tractors/model/99022
Turns out that the MAX FEL is 9.1% stronger than a JD after all.
http://www.mahindrausa.com/Tractors/model/99022
Turns out that the MAX FEL is 9.1% stronger than a JD after all.
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XSKIER said:
Yeah that's what I was thinking. I know its superior to sub cut's, but I was thinking less.
More like a Mini-MAX.
What's the deal with not simply listing an MSRP so the customer has a point of comparison? Having to call dealer after dealer to simply get a price is a real PITA and having been through it once before, I refuse to do it again and have decided to look at older used tractors as a result.
Having to give a dealer tons of information to get a price puts the buyer at a huge disadvantage because every piece of information you give them opens up ways they can play with the numbers to make it look like you are getting a good deal.
bindian
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Eagle107,
I think you would be disappointed if you got rid of your Scag Tigercat. I have a Hustler Fastrac and I would never replace it with a tractor mower. Only thing I would replace the Hustler with is a diesel
ZTM. ZTMs can out maneuver any tractor mower. Thus they mow faster even if it has a smaller cutting deck. hugs, Brandi
eagle107
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Eagle107,
I think you would be disappointed if you got rid of your Scag Tigercat. I have a Hustler Fastrac and I would never replace it with a tractor mower. Only thing I would replace the Hustler with is a diesel
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
I understand that and I hate to give up the tigercat, but my mom needs to keep up the property while I live and work in NYC. She finds it hard to get on the Scag, lift the mowing deck with her leg and to use it the steering arms. So I am thinking this might be a better/easier option for her to use.
In addition, we all know the new Mahindra Max series tractors are really Mitsubishi tractors, which are great tractors. I am just trying to figure out if the J series LS tractors are the same as the specs are pretty close and since LS has an alliance with Mitsubishi, I am thinking that the LS J series is a similar Mitsubishi subcompact tractor.
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I don't think the Mahindra is the same as the ls j series. The M has more hydraulics, weighs a few hundred lbs more, and loader lifts 300 lbs more. I think the ls is the same as the new holland 1010.
DavesTractor
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Sounds like you have been given the run around by some dealers, but it need not be that way. MSRP means nothing in the tractor business. Nothing. Each dealer sets his own price. And if you want 0%, it cost the dealer a defined amount. If you want 4.25% it costs the dealer a lesser defined amount. If you pay cash, there is no finance fee packed into the price at all, and there is a rebate. The dealer isn't messing around with you, at least a good one isn't. You see, we have a base invoice price, and then monthly they have "programs" where there may be special financing options or special rebates. These all affect the bottom line price.
To me it is not an advantage/disadvantage sort of deal. It shouldn't be a game of skill or cleverness. Instead, "I want a Max22 with a loader, give me a price for cash, and also a price at 4.25% for 84. I live at zip code 96080 and I am farm tax. I have a trailer and will pick it up myself". Then the dealer emails you with a quote and it's dead on.
However I do understand your frustration. It is easy enough to feel like you asked a simple question, "what's the price?" and got the third degree in return! For that reason, last year we decided to price everything at the cash or standard rate price. Now we get the price question and we rattle off an answer, with a disclaimer that our price is cash or standard rate finance, includes any and all rebates and we need to add tax.
Some dealers price all of their inventory at 0% and add the disclaimer that there are various rebates if you pay cash or 4.25%, or whatever. It's a tough call, and your frustration is a good reminder to us dealers that we need to simplify our price schedules as much as possible. But keep in mind that if you like options, we have options, but it isn't as simple as we would like sometimes.
But I will still say, if you are a serious buyer, it doesn't take but a minute or two to contact a dealer and give him adequate info to give you an accurate price.
I think this idea of internet pricing, and how tractors are priced would make a great general topic to discuss. Customers have changed, shopping has changed, we want to be able to get to the price quickly. Interesting topic, but we probably should get back to "Max". And Max is a great tractor.
DavesTractor
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LS buys Mitsubishi engines for many of their tractors. But they are not Mitsubishi tractors. Like Kubota, Mitsubishi is a supplier of engines for many farm, industrial and commercial applications.
bindian
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Sorry to hear that. Mowing with my ZTM is a ton more fun that trying to turn a belly mower equipped tractor around. I have to fight my son for mower time!
hugs, Brandi
You are correct. I won't get into the details but a few years ago I was ready to buy a new tractor and after extensive research, had settled on the Mahindra 3215 with a loader and backhoe. To make a long story short, the local dealer made us jump through hoops to simply get a price. Overall, the dealer left a very bad impression on both me and my wife.
Making matters worse was that calls to other dealers didn't go much better, so without a good point of comparison I was forced to turn to the internet for pricing information which was scarce at best.
As it turns out, we didn't qualify for financing and while I could have paid cash, I opted not to because I had other financial obligations at the time and couldn't risk spending so much of my savings. Since then, I have had time to evaluate the wisdom of spending so much money on a new tractor and as a result, have decided to purchase an older used tractor to restore.
Anyway, back to Max.
steveinyuma
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Okay, quiet here for a while.
I have asked for quotes from 2 Mahindra dealers on the new Max 22 and 25 tractors via email, twice to 1 dealer and once to another, specifying my location, a backhoe w/ 12 in. bucket, front loader, shipping and tax. Also asked when they would be in stock. Went through the Mahindra website dealer locater. I got 2 automated responses from one dealer, no followup, nothing from the other. Started February 5th. and was pretty specific.
I am greatly disappointed in not having any idea what these will cost.
I am wanting to buy a tractor sometime before late spring. I started shopping last year and the greatest problem I have found is nothing in stock in subcompacts, be it John Deere, Massey Ferguson, New Holland, Kioti, Bobcat, and I guess right now, Mahindra. Only Kubota has BX series anything, and I just don't like that back and forth leg motion for their hydrostat drive. Also, dealers are not too specific about lead times for getting the tractor you order.
My "local" dealers are all at least 90 miles away from where I will be using the tractor. All the great tractorbynet forums strongly suggest "seat time". Pretty hard when there are no seats within 100 miles! maybe I should find a good dealer, have him order a tractor, then move near to him?
Massey and JD both have "build and price" which gives you some idea.
Just rattling and frustrated that even "ballpark" prices are a secret with some manufacturers.
I have asked for quotes from 2 Mahindra dealers on the new Max 22 and 25 tractors via email, twice to 1 dealer and once to another, specifying my location, a backhoe w/ 12 in. bucket, front loader, shipping and tax. Also asked when they would be in stock. Went through the Mahindra website dealer locater. I got 2 automated responses from one dealer, no followup, nothing from the other. Started February 5th. and was pretty specific.
I am greatly disappointed in not having any idea what these will cost.
I am wanting to buy a tractor sometime before late spring. I started shopping last year and the greatest problem I have found is nothing in stock in subcompacts, be it John Deere, Massey Ferguson, New Holland, Kioti, Bobcat, and I guess right now, Mahindra. Only Kubota has BX series anything, and I just don't like that back and forth leg motion for their hydrostat drive. Also, dealers are not too specific about lead times for getting the tractor you order.
My "local" dealers are all at least 90 miles away from where I will be using the tractor. All the great tractorbynet forums strongly suggest "seat time". Pretty hard when there are no seats within 100 miles! maybe I should find a good dealer, have him order a tractor, then move near to him?
Massey and JD both have "build and price" which gives you some idea.
Just rattling and frustrated that even "ballpark" prices are a secret with some manufacturers.
DavesTractor
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No excuse for a dealer not responding. Dealers get their price pages on the Max next week, but they get the info on the dealer portal now.
steveinyuma
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I was thinking that email screws up sometimes and people are busy, so maybe my patience isn't what it should be. Tractor shopping just hasn't been the fun experience I had hoped for. This is a discretionary item for me and my life doesn't depend on it. Guess I just anticipated stores would have merchandise, at least things that had been out a while. I'm sure the economy has affected that, so just consider that I had my little rant and I'll go back to shopping. I do love the forums here for their information and general civility.
Unfortunately it seems to be very common.
When I went tractor shopping a few years ago, getting dealers to respond to email inquiries was next to impossible and they never seemed to have the tractors I wanted to see in stock. Come to think of it, I recall that a number of phone inquiries were also met with resistance because they wanted me to "visit the dealership" before they could/would quote a price, probably so they could "sell me".
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Yep, Only certain dealers that will give you accurate email quotes. Best to visit them. You really should test drive anyway. Have you contacted Wallace Tractor in PA? He told me he has shipped to AZ before. Interested in how the MAX prices pan out after the initial fuss settles.
DavesTractor
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Kurt, I'd suggest that you clarify your post. Sounds like you are saying the MSRP of $13,520 includes the $3700 loader, when you probably mean otherwise.
Edit: opps, looks like Kurt's post was pulled so my response to his post looks a little strange!
Just so this isn't a mystery, MSRP on a Max 25 with loader is $13,520 for the tractor plus $3700 for the loader. But MSRP is not the real world, so don't let that number scare you.
Edit: opps, looks like Kurt's post was pulled so my response to his post looks a little strange!
Just so this isn't a mystery, MSRP on a Max 25 with loader is $13,520 for the tractor plus $3700 for the loader. But MSRP is not the real world, so don't let that number scare you.
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