Heart Healthy Eating

[brin]

I do not think the salt is being used as a preservative in this case. I think they are brining the meat to add water weight to drive up costs and make the meat more tasty. Mostly more weight though, salt water is cheap and can make meat more expensive.

Yeah, when my mom used to make sweet tea she would put in massive amounts of sugar. I stopped drinking sweet tea after I stopped at a Hardees for dinner. I had been working all day on some land I owned and was on the way home. The tea was good but sweet. I got 15 minutes down the road with another 15 minutes to go when my stomach started to rumble. It was a very painful drive that seemed to last an eternity before I got home.

Tain't touch sweet tea since then. I do not know if the tea made me sick because of the sugar or if the big tea pot needed cleaning. I have heard that the big tea pots do not always get cleaned as they should. In any case, no more tea for me.

Beer, water or coffee. :thumbsup: Two of the three boil or almost boil the water. :laughing:

Later,
Dan

Dan.....I once was talking to the fella that cleaned our offices...I was working late one evening and in our discussion he mentioned he did the cleaning at one of the restaurant chains in town...He said what stopped he and his wife from going there was when he saw them empty the garbage out of a trash can and rinse it out...no soap..just rinse it out and dump in bags of ice topped with sweat tea...and they dipped it out of there..it was a high volume restaurant and the servers would just dip their pitchers in there and then go serve the tea...that is when I stopped drinking sweet tea...YUK !

 

[brin]

OK guys here is another recipe that I came across that can be adapted to a complete Vegan diet...just eliminate the oil...See what you think...I am going to try it...

Eggplant and Veggie Roll-ups Recipe | With Style and Grace | With Style & Grace

 

[beppington]

We really like eating
quinoa, just get the prewashed variety. It can be bland but you can add what ever you want to it. Its also gluten free.
Quinoa with Chickpeas and Tomatoes Recipe - Allrecipes.com
is a recipe i will be trying soon.

My woman made a batch of this, following the directions precisely. I thought it was pretty good ... In fact here's an idea:

When you try a recipe that is posted in here, rate it on a 1 - 10 scale.

I'd rate that Quinoa with Chickpeas and Tomatoes recipe an 8 / 10.

 

[brin]

Where do you buy Quinoa ? I found it at our local grocery store, Kroger and they wanted $5.00 + for a very small package of it...too pricey...do you have a better place to buy it...?

 

[beppington]

Where do you buy Quinoa ? I found it at our local grocery store, Kroger and they wanted $5.00 + for a very small package of it...too pricey...do you have a better place to buy it...?

She got it at our local Publix grocery store, but wasn't easy: She had a manager & 2 other employees leading her around the store looking for it, since they knew they had it, just weren't sure where ... & also not cheap here, either: I think she said it was $8 for the box, but tried to justify it with, "But it makes a lot ... I think" Remains to be seen whether or not it becomes a staple of our kitchen.

 

[BoFuller]

Just found this post. Right on. I went to plant-based vegan diet about 3 years ago and it has been great. I dropped 35 lbs in 6 months and another 15 over the next 6 months. All my numbers are in line now (cholesterol down from 220 to 130; BP down from 150/120 to 109/70; etc.)
Schweizer, you are on the money. Personally I believe that 95% of all disease can be prevented and/or reversed by eating the proper diet.
I grew up on meat and dairy and I still get a hard time when I visit "home", but I'm healthier than any of them.
The comment about processed food is right on also. We don't eat hardly anything out of a box or a can. Mostly we eat fresh veggies and beans. I didn't wait until I had some kind of heart problem. I decided to be proactive and prevent it.
When my doctor saw all my progress and results, he said, "Good for you, but people don't want to hear that. They want a pill or a quick fix. I'm proud of you but I have no fear of going out of business because most Americans aren't really interested in making the commitment."
All I can say is it works. I got started after reading "Eat to Live" by Dr. Fuhrman, but I have read a lot about Esseltyn also. (I probably butchered his name). Keep the plant based program going!! :thumbsup:

 

[piller]

What about pastured poultry and grass fed beef?

 

[txdon]

What about pastured poultry and grass fed beef?

To reverse heart disease, like I'm trying to do, or to prevent heart disease like others here are trying to do it is important to eliminate the intake of cholesterol and saturated fats. All animal products contain saturated fats and cholesterol that is why "Heart Healthy Eating" is plant based.

On a personal note, my grandfather, on his farm, had the kind of meat you describe. He died after a long illness of heart disease at age 63.

 

[txdon]

.....Personally I believe that 95% of all disease can be prevented and/or reversed by eating the proper diet....
....I didn't wait until I had some kind of heart problem. I decided to be proactive and prevent it.....
..When my doctor saw all my progress and results, he said, "Good for you, but people don't want to hear that. They want a pill or a quick fix. I'm proud of you but I have no fear of going out of business because most Americans aren't really interested in making the commitment."
...Keep the plant based program going!! :thumbsup:

Bo Fuller, welcome to this thread. Your Doctor is so right, neither he or the meat producers will ever have to worry about money. 85% of the people who have confirmed heart disease and have had some kind of procedure, do not change their diet significantly. You are ahead in the game of life.

I had a person tell me, after I told him the way I eat, that he could never eat like that because he loves food too much. I told him I love life too much.

I see you are vegan, would you say you are fat free vegan, that is not adding any oils or fats to your food? For me that has been the most difficult part in this reversal process, especially when eating out. There are always plenty of veggies but they have added oils, butter, cheese or bacon.
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Brin, That is the most interesting roll I've seen with the purple in the middle. I'm going to pick up an egg plant next time I go to town. If it turns out good I'll have to plant some in the garden.
I got some firm "extra" tofu and a different marinade I'm going to try the FF tofu again.

 

[beppington]

Where do you buy Quinoa ? I found it at our local grocery store, Kroger and they wanted $5.00 + for a very small package of it...too pricey...do you have a better place to buy it...?

She got it at our local Publix grocery store, but wasn't easy: She had a manager & 2 other employees leading her around the store looking for it, since they knew they had it, just weren't sure where ... & also not cheap here, either: I think she said it was $8 for the box, but tried to justify it with, "But it makes a lot ... I think" Remains to be seen whether or not it becomes a staple of our kitchen.

I think this is the Quinoa we got

 

[txdon]

Heart attack at the Heart Attack Grill. Da.
Story here:
Man suffers heart attack while dining at Heart Attack Grill in Las Vegas | Fox News

 

[beppington]

If you're gonna poke at Death, he might just poke ya back.

 

[piller]

To reverse heart disease, like I'm trying to do, or to prevent heart disease like others here are trying to do it is important to eliminate the intake of cholesterol and saturated fats. All animal products contain saturated fats and cholesterol that is why "Heart Healthy Eating" is plant based.

On a personal note, my grandfather, on his farm, had the kind of meat you describe. He died after a long illness of heart disease at age 63.

I'm glad to hear that your plant based diet is working for you.

I think a plant based diet is fine. I think a meat based diet with lot's of fat and cholesterol is fine. I think that problems start when you include processed foods and the wrong carbohydrates in any diet.

 

[Western]

Heart attack at the Heart Attack Grill. Da.
Story here:
Man suffers heart attack while dining at Heart Attack Grill in Las Vegas | Fox News

That has been on the news here for 2 day's, place certainly lives up to it's advertising

 

[brin]

I'm glad to hear that your plant based diet is working for you.

I think a plant based diet is fine. I think a meat based diet with lot's of fat and cholesterol is fine. I think that problems start when you include processed foods and the wrong carbohydrates in any diet.

I have to chime in here and say I agree with you Piller, I think Processed foods are all poison...they are so chocked full of preservatives and Sodium that it is amazing more folks are just dropping over dead...The only things canned my family eats are tomato products with no sodium added...that is all I can think of and we eat no fast food, no packaged meals or pre prepared meals of any kind.

Everyone has a different genetic make up...some truly find they cannot eat meat, some dairy, some gluten etc. For others of us who are not pre -disposed to these problems, a balanced meal is fine as long as it does not include the processed foods and sodium and sugar overdose. Just my 2 cents.

 

[txdon]

I'm glad to hear that your plant based diet is working for you.

I think a meat based diet with lot's of fat and cholesterol is fine.

Not fine for Heart disease.

Almost every study and cardiologist will not agree with you.

 

[piller]

Not fine for Heart disease.

Almost every study and cardiologist will not agree with you.

We can disagree and that's OK.

For example, have you heard about the Masai tribe? Young men in the tribe become Muran warriors at about age 14, they spend the next 20 - 25 years of their lives consuming milk, blood, and beef from cows. Studies have shown no heart disease even though they are living on a high fat animal based diet. When the men change from this diet then the onset of heart disease begins.

How could it be possible to consume a pure high fat animal based diet and not have heart disease? This thread is titled "Heart Healthy Eating", I'm just pointing out that there is more than one approach to a heart healthy diet.

 

[schweizer]

piller,

To each his own, but you are distorting the facts. The Masai men that you are referring to may not have had "heart disease" in the sense of not having narrowed coronary arteries. But, if you read the data you'll find their arteries had such severe atherosclerosis that at autopsy they were the equivalent of US old men. And the average life expectancy in Kenya is 50 years (at the time of the original study). If you remove the high infant mortality rate the adjusted life expectancy was 60 years. The atherosclerosis is masked by their exceptional physical fitness which causes their coronary arteries to dilate over time. What all this means is that the Masai have underlying terrible heart disease which is masked, by their high exercise and low life expectancy. "Most Westerners would have to walk roughly 20 km a day to achieve the Masai level of energy expenditure."

Regular Walking Protects The Masai -- Who Eat High Fat Diet -- From Cardiovascular Disease

Here's one of the original articles discussing the Masai from back in the early 1970's:
ATHEROSCLEROSIS IN THE MASAI

 

[brin]

Don...Have you tried this ....a recipe for a meat substitute, a buddy of mine from Ca. told me about this ..it is called Seitan and is made from Whole wheat flour...the carbs and starch are rinsed away....and it tastes like meat with your seasonings... I am going to try it..here is a link..

HOW TO: Making Seitan from Whole Wheat Flour ~ Forkable

 

[txdon]

Schweizer, Excellent review of the facts on the Masai study!

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Brin, I have never made seitan from whole wheat flour. That site was very interesting. We alway just buy Bob's vital wheat gluten and make seitan sausage. Let us know how it comes out, I just might try it, it does look messy.

If you want to make sausage out of some of that gluten here is the sausage recipe.

Veggeroni (Seitan Pepperoni) | recipe from FatFree Vegan Kitchen