Oil & Fuel Diesel additives

[mj007]

I have been told that the ultra low sulfur diesel doesn't have any less lubricating properties as the older diesel. Sulfur ISNT a lube.

Uhhhhh ...... Really????? :laughing:

 

[JJZ 109]

I use Power Service in both my Kubota and my '97 Ford diesel truck year round. Because the truck will be sitting outside unused for the winter, I also treated both tanks with Power Service 911 and Bio Kleen to help prevent any gelling or algae issues.
I've never put 911 or Bio Kleen in the tractor. That's always stored inside and I've never had a fuel issue with it yet.
As far as sulfur is concerned, on the website http://www.cdxetextbook.com/fuelSys/emission/types/sulfurcontent.html I found this:

The refining process used to reduce the sulfur level can reduce the natural lubricating properties of the diesel fuel, which is essential for the lubrication and operation of fuel system components such as fuel pumps and injectors.

 

[grsthegreat]

Uhhhhh ...... Really????? :laughing:

Sulfur is not a lubricant in of itself, but it can combine with the nickel content in many metal alloys to form a low melting point eutectic alloy that can increase lubricity. The process used to reduce the sulfur also reduces the fuel's lubricating properties. Lubricity is a measure of the fuel's ability to lubricate and protect the various parts of the engine's fuel injection system from wear. The processing required to reduce sulfur to 15 ppm also removes naturally-occurring lubricity agents in diesel fuel. To manage this change ASTM International (formerly the American Society for Testing and Materials) adopted the lubricity specification defined in ASTM D975[12] for all diesel fuels and this standard went into effect January 1, 2005.[13] The D975 standard defines two USLD standards, Grade No. 2-D S15 (regular ULSD) and Grade No. 1-D S15 (a higher volatility fuel with a lower gelling temperature than regular ULSD


fuel manufacturers have been adding a lubricating agent to their fuels for years.

 

[murphy1244]

Sulfur is not a lubricant in of itself, but it can combine with the nickel content in many metal alloys to form a low melting point eutectic alloy that can increase lubricity. The process used to reduce the sulfur also reduces the fuel's lubricating properties. Lubricity is a measure of the fuel's ability to lubricate and protect the various parts of the engine's fuel injection system from wear. The processing required to reduce sulfur to 15 ppm also removes naturally-occurring lubricity agents in diesel fuel. To manage this change ASTM International (formerly the American Society for Testing and Materials) adopted the lubricity specification defined in ASTM D975[12] for all diesel fuels and this standard went into effect January 1, 2005.[13] The D975 standard defines two USLD standards, Grade No. 2-D S15 (regular ULSD) and Grade No. 1-D S15 (a higher volatility fuel with a lower gelling temperature than regular ULSD


fuel manufacturers have been adding a lubricating agent to their fuels for years.

Now were talking. Thanks fellow pack member!!!!:licking:

 

[crazyal]

My local fuel supplier told me (take it for what it's worth) that because of the law (I didn't ask if it was state or federal) but the low sulfur home heating oil could not be sold to be used in diesel engines.

The reason is that heating oil has additives in it to help break up the sludge that collects on the bottom of storage tanks while off road diesel has additives to increase the lubricating properties of the fuel and, of course, the anti gel. The law is so that the additives used are not burnt needlessly.

Is it true, I don't know. But what I do know is the price is usually close enough that my delivery guy will sell me both for the same price and that he has two tanks on his truck, one that always has heating oil in it and the other that he either has off road diesel or kerosene. He's gone as far as to tell me that I would have to wait a couple of days because he had kerosene on his truck.

I've had people argue this point with me, not sure why, if you bought home heating oil I would put an additive in (better safe than sorry). But if you bought off road diesel the only time you need an additive is if you have diesel fuel that doesn't have the anti-gel added to it because you bought it in the middle of summer and you'll be using it in the winter. Otherwise it's really up to you if you want to spend the money.

 

[kuboman]

I have been told that the ultra low sulfur diesel doesn't have any less lubricating properties as the older diesel. Sulfur ISNT a lube.

Sulfur is not a lube. The problem is the fracking process they use to get rid of the sulfur also gets rid of the natural lubricating properties of the diesel.:thumbsup:

 

[grsthegreat]

I have been told that the ultra low sulfur diesel doesn't have any less lubricating properties as the older diesel. Sulfur ISNT a lube.

Sulfur is not a lube. The problem is the fracking process they use to get rid of the sulfur also gets rid of the natural lubricating properties of the diesel.:thumbsup:

yup..thats what i said. but the refiners have been adding a lube to the diesel for many years. even before the ultra low fuels.

 

[shownuff]

the sulfur that was removed was good at killing the bacteria that starts the algea process and on the power service note I have seen the white bottle with the anti gel actually gel on the road -I had used it for years now I use HOWES which guarantees you go or they pay the tow

 

[sw03]

I use MMO since it does not mess with UOA like POwer Service.

 

[gengine]

The white bottle power service is for winter, the gray bottle for summer, and the red bottle for already gelled fuel. I personally use Howes. Napa had it on sale in October, $11 a bottle. I bought a case. My tractors get used a lot in the summer, only one gets used in the winter. I treat them all. I have had fuel gel here in western Wyoming, with temps around -30f, and it's a b***h trying to change the filter with no feeling in your hands. I don't know if any are better than the next, I buy what ever is on sale. I just know that even winter blend fuel gels at -30f. I just want my equipment to start and run when I need it!