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[timswi]

Chris,

Given that you write very detailed GM fault posts....Figured I'd throw this out there in good fun..Just sayin'...

Just a mild counter to the anti-GM posts.

I don't doubt that a Titan is a fine truck, but bias can be found anywhere.

Not so hot buy's from YAHOO Auto...Not that they are the experts, but...

6. Nissan Titan



Nissan痴 full-size pickup truck never caught on with U.S. buyers, who tend to be fiercely loyal to their favorite domestic brands. Its model line isn稚 as diverse as the competition, and it lags behind all of them in terms of performance. On the bright side, it痴 sold with hefty cash rebates.

The Titan gets 澱elow average ratings from J.D. Power & Associates for both Initial Quality and Reliability, and gets only a �arginal rating for side-impact protection with 殿cceptable rollover prevention from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. It also receives the lowest available ranking for depreciation from Automotive Lease Guide and gets �oor to 礎elow average value scores (depending on the version) from Intellichoice.com.

 

[Don87]

Chris,

Given that you write very detailed GM fault posts....Figured I'd throw this out there in good fun..Just sayin'...

Just a mild counter to the anti-GM posts.

I don't doubt that a Titan is a fine truck, but bias can be found anywhere.

Not so hot buy's from YAHOO Auto...Not that they are the experts, but...

6. Nissan Titan



Nissan痴 full-size pickup truck never caught on with U.S. buyers, who tend to be fiercely loyal to their favorite domestic brands. Its model line isn稚 as diverse as the competition, and it lags behind all of them in terms of performance. On the bright side, it痴 sold with hefty cash rebates.

The Titan gets 澱elow average ratings from J.D. Power & Associates for both Initial Quality and Reliability, and gets only a �arginal rating for side-impact protection with 殿cceptable rollover prevention from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. It also receives the lowest available ranking for depreciation from Automotive Lease Guide and gets �oor to 礎elow average value scores (depending on the version) from Intellichoice.com.

Yes it can.

There will never be another GM product in my household.

That statement is in light of all the 'developements' of GM, the UAW, and the government(with respect to my money).

And I would like to emphasize.............."my money"

I will push a Nissan, Toyota..........oe even a Datsun, before I purchase a GM product.

JMHO

 

[Combustix]

what no Ford

 

[bubbacuse77]

GO:thumbsup: Ford GO

 

[toppop52]

Until the sale of Chrysler, the next gen Titan was going to be a re badged Dodge, that's how well Nissan pulled that one off. Instead they carry on with a way outdated platform, not much variety, poor fuel economy and questionable at best, styling.:thumbsup:

 

[Pixguy]

I liked the Silverado but because of GM's history of accepting bailout money and billions we will never be recoup, I instead bought a 2011 F-150 Ecoboost.

And by the looks of doing a lot of highway driving and seeing all the new Ford trucks, there are lots of others who feel the same.

 

[toppop52]

Yes it can.

There will never be another GM product in my household.

That statement is in light of all the 'developements' of GM, the UAW, and the government(with respect to my money).

And I would like to emphasize.............."my money"

I will push a Nissan, Toyota..........oe even a Datsun, before I purchase a GM product.

JMHO

I fail to see how buying a foreign owned brand that benefits Japan profit wise, is somehow better for the country than buying a brand that was bailed out with taxpayer money. It's like shooting your foot because your pissed off that you stubbed your toe.
Government ownership was down to about 25% after the November 2010 stock sale, not sure if more has been sold yet. But soon the company will be free of government ownership. This was not the way I would like to see things done, but like Harley Davidson and many others, it was overall better to save the jobs than hope they somehow got spread to other U.S, companies.

 

[toppop52]

I liked the Silverado but because of GM's history of accepting bailout money and billions we will never be recoup, I instead bought a 2011 F-150 Ecoboost.

And by the looks of doing a lot of highway driving and seeing all the new Ford trucks, there are lots of others who feel the same.

Through April total sales of trucks was about 190,000 for Ford and about 180,000 for GM, similar percentage to recent history. GM's are wt the end of their platform run and new product will be hitting the market over the next 12 months, newer product always boosts one company for a while, then the others catch up.

 

[yooper1]

Not really taking sides and not speaking of anyone in this post, but ....


I would be willing to bet that a LOT of nay sayers about the GM / Government bailout would sound differently if GM had just went bankrupt and dissolved totally.

Probably a majority of those nay sayers would be saying stuff like:

"Why didn't our Government step in and protect U.S. jobs?"

"Look at those darn foreign imports / rice burners / "other brands" that forced GM out of existence!"

"Why didn't blah blah blah "

Just like trying to get every voter in the U.S. to vote for 1 person, ......it will never happen.

People are funny.

Some people like to stir pots.

Some people just cannot process events / actions.

and some people are wishy washy. They say what they think you want to hear.

And some people will agree with another because they cannot or will not find / know the facts and their friend "sounds" like they know what they are talking about


and maybe in this case, just because the Government did act, people are upset because it was "the Government" who in their eyes never does anything right (or the way they want it).

You cannot please everyone all the time

 

[Diamondpilot]

Well, that is all in fine. My 08 Titan pulls every week, sometimes as much as 10,000#, has 48,000 miles on it, and has never been in for a single repair. Not even a light bulb.

Chris

 

[Pixguy]

Through April total sales of trucks was about 190,000 for Ford and about 180,000 for GM, similar percentage to recent history. GM's are wt the end of their platform run and new product will be hitting the market over the next 12 months, newer product always boosts one company for a while, then the others catch up.

Is this light duty, 1/4 to 1 ton trucks? Not sure about the rest of the country, but in New England, Ford seems to outnumber all others.

Not really taking sides and not speaking of anyone in this post, but ....


I would be willing to bet that a LOT of nay sayers about the GM / Government bailout would sound differently if GM had just went bankrupt and dissolved totally.

Probably a majority of those nay sayers would be saying stuff like:

"Why didn't our Government step in and protect U.S. jobs?"

Yea, I guess there are people that are "wishy washy" like that with no core beliefs.

 

[crazyal]

I fail to see how buying a foreign owned brand that benefits Japan profit wise, is somehow better for the country than buying a brand that was bailed out with taxpayer money. It's like shooting your foot because your pissed off that you stubbed your toe.
Government ownership was down to about 25% after the November 2010 stock sale, not sure if more has been sold yet. But soon the company will be free of government ownership. This was not the way I would like to see things done, but like Harley Davidson and many others, it was overall better to save the jobs than hope they somehow got spread to other U.S, companies.

I don't care. GM became a dead brand in my eyes the moment the government bailed them out and screwed over the stock holders. GM took the bailout and now they must live with the fact that a number of people will never buy their products again.

Besides which is better? Sending profits to a US based company who pays foreign workers to build it or a Japanese based company who pays US workers to build it? Prove me wrong but the amount of money sent overseas due to profits is very small compared to how much money from the sale of a new car goes towards pay for the workers, contractors, and taxes.

 

[sandman2234]

I don't care.
GM took the bailout and now they must live with the fact that a number of people will never buy their products again.

Probably the same people that jumped ship from Ford when their diesels went down the tube???? People I know will NEVER buy another Ford truck due to loosing their tails on a 6.0. I could probably find someone that won't buy a Toyo because they put bad windshield wipers on it, or a Dodge because they didn't use the right type of light bulbs and they keep burning out. They are people that are stubborn, pig headed and not willing to examine their circumstances to see what really is the problem. I seriously doubt GM will go under because they took the bailout money, but more likely would have gone under had they not done it. All the money lost to the stockholders by taking the bailout would be what had they just quietly closed their doors without a bailout?
David from jax

 

[sandman2234]

Well, that is all in fine. My 08 Titan pulls every week, sometimes as much as 10,000#, has 48,000 miles on it, and has never been in for a single repair. Not even a light bulb.

Chris

My 2001 Silverado went over a hundred thousand before it went for a repair, and it was originally a truck owned by a machine shop (where I worked for a while).First repair was one of the daytime driving lights. 48K ain't hard to do, heck even my Daughter's Jeep went further than that (and still going strong over 200K) with limited maintance from her. I have to take the keys away just to check the fluids, lol.
David from jax

 

[greasemonkeyok]

Uh, the government didn't screw the GM stockholders - GM (mis)management did. The company was bankrupt, and the common stock was worthless. Maybe the bond bullies had something to pi$$ and moan about, but they knew the risks just as did the stockholders.

Do you really believe liquidation and sale of the assets would have left anyone better off? Who was going to purchase the assets of a failed US vehicle manufacturer? China? Oh Oh - wait a minute, I know, you think Sara Palin or some other air-head was going to bail GM out, right?

 

[CinderSchnauzer]

I don't care. GM became a dead brand in my eyes the moment the government bailed them out and screwed over the stock holders.

Never let reality get in the way of a good rant. Let's say there was no bailout. GM goes bankrupt. Sell the assets. Pay the creditors. The Stock Holders are last in line - think they would have done any better.

Think about it - actually really think...................

 

[bp fick]

These companies, in my view, are international. I don't think of them as "US" or "Japan", etc.

They are "owned" by their stockholders. If the majority of Nissan stock is owned by Americans, would that make it an "American" company? If the majority of GM stock is owned by the French, would that make it a "French" company? Does where a corporation finally pays its corporate tax determine the "country"?

With all the news of so-called "American" companies dodging US taxes by claiming to be corporations of some obscure island nation somewhere, it all leaves me rather callous about this worn out conversation, frankly. Show me the jobs.

I don't care much about the so-called "nationality" of these international corporations, because I don't believe they themselves think in those terms anymore. Likely an outdated concept.

Just show me the jobs.

 

[toppop52]

Well, that is all in fine. My 08 Titan pulls every week, sometimes as much as 10,000#, has 48,000 miles on it, and has never been in for a single repair. Not even a light bulb.

Chris

Thats proof, you're a lucky man!

 

[lduren]

Uh, the government didn't screw the GM stockholders - GM (mis)management did. The company was bankrupt, and the common stock was worthless. Maybe the bond bullies had something to pi$$ and moan about, but they knew the risks just as did the stockholders.

Do you really believe liquidation and sale of the assets would have left anyone better off? Who was going to purchase the assets of a failed US vehicle manufacturer? China? Oh Oh - wait a minute, I know, you think Sara Palin or some other air-head was going to bail GM out, right?

I thought I was going to post saying that Hummer was sold to a Chinese company, but this article says otherwise: GM to shut down Hummer after China deal fizzles | Reuters

 

[crazyal]

Never let reality get in the way of a good rant. Let's say there was no bailout. GM goes bankrupt. Sell the assets. Pay the creditors. The Stock Holders are last in line - think they would have done any better.

Think about it - actually really think...................

Since this is a tractor forum I'm not going to correct you on the differences between the various types of bankruptcies and who gets paid what when assets are sold.