over running PTO clutch

[BarryC]

I got tired of being pushed around a little by the bush hog so I bought one of these at TSC yesterday. But I'm not sure how it attaches or rather stays attached. I see 2 holes inside the part that slips over the PTO shaft and it seems like something needs to be in them to keep the clutch attached. I'm afraid to run it today without is being firmly attached to the PTO shaft. How is it supposed to stay attached? Or did I buy one that was missing parts?

 

[winston1]

If you bought one like this Overrunning PTO Coupler, 1-1/8 in. x 6 Female Spline - 0271148 | Tractor Supply Company there should be a roll pin that is installed where the grease fittings are that goes through your pto drive shaft. This is what holds it in place. I just noticed the one I attached has a 1-1/8" female, yours probably has a 1-3/8". Still works the same.

 

[BarryC]

Thats the one! Was the roll pin supposed to come with it? And I would need to remove one of the zerks to install it right.

 

[winston1]

Thats the one! Was the roll pin supposed to come with it? And I would need to remove one of the zerks to install it right.

I would think the roll pin should have come with it but do not know that for sure. Yes, remove the grease zerks to install. If it doesn't come with one measre the hole and tsc has spring pins such as this. Spring Pin Kit Assortment - 1833480 | Tractor Supply Company Make sure you drive the pin all the way to the middle section (centered), it won't turn if you don't.

 

[deepNdirt]

This is the exact one I got from TSC and yes it came with the Pin, actually the clutch was wrapped in a yellow netting and the roll pin was wired to it,
If the one you have was not in this netting than I suppose the pin would not have been with it, go back to TSC and tell them the pin was missing, I'm sure they'll give you one,
and BTW be sure to pump grease into it, and keep a check on it each time you use it,
for the price they cost I would thought they be a good one, but the fact is they are the el-chep-os , will start to wear out without packed grease inside,
I prefer the one with the push spring, but this was all I could find at the time,

 

[Soundguy]

yep.. usually takes a 2-5/16 roll pin and yes.. they are usually under the netting protectingthe pto stub.

remove at least one of the fittings and drive the roll pin in so that it clears the outter portion, which should spin freely in one direction, and lockup in the other.. reinstall zerk, then grease the snot out of both sides till grease comes out the back edge. remember to grease the zerk when you do your u-joints.. etc.

soundguy

 

[grsthegreat]

Mine came with a slip section that you simply slide back and it attaches like a standard pto shaft. There are no pins necessary???

 

[Soundguy]

that is a QD style. the ones with 2 zerks or a zerk and plug 180 degrees apart are the pin on style.

soundguy

 

[jtokc]

Tell them you want to return it and get your money back. Hoye sells the quick detach for a very reasonable price:

Yanmar Tractor Parts: OVER RUNNING CLUTCH- QUICK DETACH - SALE

 

[Soundguy]

the QD style won't fit all tractors.. ive seen a few where the pto flange protrudes enough to prevent it on some ORC designs.

soundguy

 

[deepNdirt]

the QD style won't fit all tractors.. ive seen a few where the pto flange protrudes enough to prevent it on some ORC designs.

soundguy

I do like the the build of the QD style better and having the ability to easily remove them if need be, but some times after a bit of rusting they can be a bugger to press in to release, actually have to spray pent oil and tap them back-n-forth to free it up, and then the down side to having spray with oil they become more susceptible to releasing them self once the spring weakens,
I'm sure it would be advisable to remove either kind every once in a while just so's they don't rust them self up, If not completely remove it at least remover the Zerks and drive the pin Half way through and back in again, this will help prevent it from becoming stuck if ever you do find need to remove or replace it,
Picture attached is the other style ( QD )being mentioned,

 

[BarryC]

This is the exact one I got from TSC and yes it came with the Pin, actually the clutch was wrapped in a yellow netting and the roll pin was wired to it,
If the one you have was not in this netting than I suppose the pin would not have been with it, go back to TSC and tell them the pin was missing, I'm sure they'll give you one,
and BTW be sure to pump grease into it, and keep a check on it each time you use it,
for the price they cost I would thought they be a good one, but the fact is they are the el-chep-os , will start to wear out without packed grease inside,
I prefer the one with the push spring, but this was all I could find at the time,

The one I got didn't have the netting and it was the only one in that size they had. There were several ones that had the netting. Wonder if the pins from another one would fit?

 

[BarryC]

Tell them you want to return it and get your money back. Hoye sells the quick detach for a very reasonable price:

Yanmar Tractor Parts: OVER RUNNING CLUTCH- QUICK DETACH - SALE

I thought about doing that very thing. If they give me crap about getting the pins I will.

One question for you...I see you have a 1401 and pulling a 6.5' disc. Any problems pulling a disc that big? I was looking for 4' or 5' disc to pull on my 1610.

 

[Soundguy]

I grease the pto shaft before coupling, and as long as you periodically grease the zerk, the roll pin should stay lubed... I've never had one seize.. though have had one crush, and have had to drill one out .. no biggie.

soundguy

I do like the the build of the QD style better and having the ability to easily remove them if need be, but some times after a bit of rusting they can be a bugger to press in to release, actually have to spray pent oil and tap them back-n-forth to free it up, and then the down side to having spray with oil they become more susceptible to releasing them self once the spring weakens,
I'm sure it would be advisable to remove either kind every once in a while just so's they don't rust them self up, If not completely remove it at least remover the Zerks and drive the pin Half way through and back in again, this will help prevent it from becoming stuck if ever you do find need to remove or replace it,
Picture attached is the other style ( QD )being mentioned,

 

[jtokc]

I thought about doing that very thing. If they give me crap about getting the pins I will.

One question for you...I see you have a 1401 and pulling a 6.5' disc. Any problems pulling a disc that big? I was looking for 4' or 5' disc to pull on my 1610.

I push that little machine beyond what I should. The 6.5' disc has plenty of weight to dig into the ground, but my 3pt can barely lift it. I have to use the 4wd and sometimes need a running start before dropping it all the way. It would not be possible at all without 4wd. On occasion I need to get a load in the FEL to keep enough traction on the front wheels. The added grip of the turf tires helps too.

 

[deepNdirt]

I grease the pto shaft before coupling, and as long as you periodically grease the zerk, the roll pin should stay lubed... I've never had one seize.. though have had one crush, and have had to drill one out .. no biggie.

soundguy

yeah.... one would think grease would prevent them from getting stuck
although have been known too, just as a mower wheel & woodruff key gets stuck on the axle shaft of a ridding mower, I think because they're such a tight fit grease cannot get into the contact parts, and what little does winds up drying out to a crust and promote adhesion between the 2 parts

 

[phatgemi]

Tell them you want to return it and get your money back. Hoye sells the quick detach for a very reasonable price:

Yanmar Tractor Parts: OVER RUNNING CLUTCH- QUICK DETACH - SALE

I would personally be leery of that specific one. Made very cheaply. Most likely in India and absolutely horrible quality. I had the same one and it fell apart while mowing with finish mower. Nothing like a pto shaft flying around to get your attention. The other type are heavier duty I think. I would never use the qd type again unless they guaranteed better quality.

 

[grsthegreat]

I also put some grease on mine before attached. So far in 5 months it slips on and off just fine.

 

[deepNdirt]

Oh! I may be being misunderstood I'm not at all saying that the overrun clutch itself splines get stuck on the PTO shaft, I'm saying the Button on the QD style and the pin in the pin on style can become stuck if never removing them as I have learned at one time, leaving the clutch on for several years without removing it had cause the button to become frozen and requiring a hammer to tap back and forth, once the bottom becomes free yes the clutch will easily slip off from the PTO, obviously if one were removing it and pushing the button in every other month or so it will help prevent it from sticking,

 

[grsthegreat]

Oh! I may be being misunderstood I'm not at all saying that the overrun clutch itself splines get stuck on the PTO shaft, I'm saying the Button on the QD style and the pin in the pin on style can become stuck if never removing them as I have learned at one time, leaving the clutch on for several years without removing it had cause the button to become frozen and requiring a hammer to tap back and forth, once the bottom become free yes the clutch could slip off from the PTO, obviously if one were removing it and pushing the button in every other month or so it will help to keep from sticking,

oh, i see. mine doesnt have a button, it has a sleeve that slides back