Kioti/Bobcat 'deals'

[bruceha2000]

Kioti is showing a 'up to' $4,500 rebate on the DK35SE HST, but only through the end of this month. Given I won't own the property we are buying until then or a couple of weeks later, I figure I shouldn't be buying any tractors until the deal is done.
Bobcat has a 'up to $3K or a free snow blower' (front or rear? I don't think it says. I do NOT want a rear) through the end of Oct. The timing on this is better but no info on which snow blower one would get.

Owned by the same company but the Bobcat site has a 'build and price' so you can see what you are getting in to. (A CT335 with turf tires, 'free' snow blower, mid and rear PTOs and cab adds up to $29K ) Koiti doesn't seem to offer that same REALLY GOOD feature so I can't compare what they want for the 'same' machine.

- Does anyone know if new 'deals' tend to pop up after the last one goes away?
- Do the tractors get cheaper when it gets later in the year?
Best to grab them at the end of the month/year like car dealers so they can make quota?
The economies of the entire world are in the toilet and they might come down to make some sales?
etc

$29K is a lot of money, not even an FEL and I would still have to add attachments (starting with a flail mower in the spring) as the seasons change until I have the full set I eventually need.

Thanks,
Bruce

 

[SSdoxie]

The Free snowblower is the blower of your choice that is listed to fit that model. In this case a 72" front blower, lift kit, & PTO kit. You will need to add (buy) the mid-point pto tractor option. Destination charges, setup fees, & local taxes are not included.

 

[IslandTractor]

Kioti has deals every month and often just continues the same deal. The end of the month deadline is BS in practical terms though any particular deal (eg snowblower) might disappear. Sometimes it is a rebate, sometimes free loader etc.

Check out the DK40se before you commit to the DK35. Same basic horsepower but a much stronger loader and bigger axles/tires etc. Nothing wrong with the DK35 but the sweet spot in the Kioti lineup for price vs performance is clearly the DK40se.

 

[TractorTidy]

I think the $4500 bonus is incorrect. It is 2500 on the 35 and $4000 on the 40 - 50. Yes the program ends the end of the month but it has been in effect since end-June when they actually increased the bonus' on the DK 40's-50's and kept the
free loader program on the CK's that came out end-Feb.. So they have been out a while. Programs change w/ all manufacturers. W/ Kioti, typically the programs will decrease or not be as good in the fall/winter. There are no "quotas" at least for the dealers. I'm sure the companies have goals for certain periods but they change programs based on seasons, sales activity and sometimes for a particular product (UTVs)or series, as well as how much inventory may be on hand both at company and dealers.

So it is always a gamble for the customer when approaching a program end-date.
But remember, there has been plenty of time, 3-4+ months.

 

[TractorTidy]

That sounds high for a CT335. In my area currently, a DK35 cab w/ ldr is @ 26,000.

 

[Dr_Zinj]

Bobcat has been running a deals of lower price for cash (about $2000 iirc), "free" piece of equipment or attachment (about $3500 equivalent), or 0%,72 month financing. At 6.5% from the bank for personal loans for 6 years, that works out to almost $10,000. I'd go for the finance option and keep your nest egg in the bank for emergencies, and just use it to make the payments over the period of the loan.

Kioti looks like they have similar arrangements; although personally, I think the Bobcat ones are sweeter.

 

[ToadHill]

Why not buy it and have the dealer hold it for you until you close on the land?

 

[bruceha2000]

That sounds high for a CT335. In my area currently, a DK35 cab w/ ldr is @ 26,000.

The price is from the Bobcat configuration web page so it might not be reflective of actual 'local' cost.

Are equivalent models from these two 'brands' REALLY the same thing just in a different color? That would make it easier to get a 'best price' since they are sold by different local establishments.

And, is there any online site that will give me a 'configure and price' for the Kioti? I don't know any tractor makers specific value though the Kioti does seem to have a number of nice 'standard' features.

Thanks,
Bruce

 

[bruceha2000]

Why not buy it and have the dealer hold it for you until you close on the land?

Mostly because I don't really know what I NEED yet. This wasn't in the 5 year plan until 5 months ago. If it were, I would have been here years ago, at least lurking, learning about the various kinds of tractors and their capabilities/weaknesses.

I didn't even think about land maintenance until quite recently and of course each property has its own needs.

Some we looked at were 100% forest, some 100% field. Some long driveway, some 2 car parking area. Some with barns, some without. And everything in between. You are 'looking' at a guy who mows 600 sq ft of lawn (when I get around to it, there is more shade than sun and more weeds than grass) with a push reel mower and shovels < 500 sq feet of driveway, 2/3rds of which is covered by 2 cars over night!!

I have IDEAS about what I will use a tractor for on the property we are buying, and was hoping to get a "one does it all" - lawn, snow blowing, maybe some field and forest work, planting fruit trees, putting in fences. That might be unreasonable but I'm trying to keep costs down.

Without any prior knowledge or planning, I am drinking from a fire hose here!!

 

[whiskywizard]

Are equivalent models from these two 'brands' REALLY the same thing just in a different color?

Owned by the same company but the Bobcat site has a 'build and price' so you can see what you are getting in to.

Bruce, the two tractors come off the assembly line in the same factory but are not sold by the same company and are not quite identical.

Kioti is owned by a Korean company - Daedong Industrial Co., Ltd. Daedong builds both the Kioti line and the Bobcat line.

Bobcat is not owned by Daedong. It is owned by Doosan Group, also Korean but a completely separate company.

There are some differences in the two lineups, but they are close enough that comparing prices and discounts is still valid.

In my case, I started looking at all the brands; Kubota, MF, NH, JD, TS, Jinma, etc. Kubota, Kioti and Bobcat made it to the short list of CUTs under consideration. Any of the 3 would have worked well and made me smile. Kioti had the advantage of better dealer than Bobcat, and much lower price than Kubota, and came with a "free" FEL, adding to its discount.

 

[IslandTractor]

Bruce, the two tractors come off the assembly line in the same factory but are not sold by the same company and are not quite identical.

Kioti is owned by a Korean company - Daedong Industrial Co., Ltd. Daedong builds both the Kioti line and the Bobcat line.

Bobcat is not owned by Daedong. It is owned by Doosan Group, also Korean but a completely separate company.

There are some differences in the two lineups, but they are close enough that comparing prices and discounts is still valid..

I believe the tractors are virtually identical except for the decals and paint. I have not confirmed but I recall someone posting that Bobcat charges extra for rear remotes while they come standard with the Kioti but again, that may be rumor. There is certainly no significant design or manufacturing difference. The FEL and other attachments are different.

 

[travioh]

Kioti tractors is a wholly owned subsidiary of Daedong, and will be backed up by the actual manufacturer much stronger than Bobcat. I hear that Bobcat and Daedong's relationship will soon split perhaps next year.

As for Kioti, I think they want customers to deal directly with dealers rather than search everything online...

 

[bruceha2000]

Bruce, the two tractors come off the assembly line in the same factory but are not sold by the same company and are not quite identical.

So, basically, the differences are equivalent to 'port options' on imported cars. The 2 companies add what they want and you have to figure out what the differences are and which of the port options best fit your needs. Sure would be nice if there were a discreet list if the functional differences like the draft control, not decals/name plates.

 

[bruceha2000]

As for Kioti, I think they want customers to deal directly with dealers rather than search everything online...

I HATE that. Like realtors that don't put up enough information on a listing.

I don't want to waste my time, nor theirs, looking at something that will not be suitable. With regard to something like cars or tractors, *I* want to know as much as I can about the products so we can get straight to the area of interest without a lot of pressure from some salesperson on commission.

Certainly they have knowledge of the products and can guide, but I will not remember all the spiffy features they point out and I certainly won't be able to go from one dealer to another and compare competing products as they chat away even with the glossy brochures in hand.

Better I should know (and adapt my price point if necessary) what a certain level of functionality will cost rather than faint on the floor when they say a base tractor with a loader starts at $21K, not the $15K I had hoped. An EDUCATED consumer is a GOOD consumer.

 

[IslandTractor]

Better I should know (and adapt my price point if necessary) what a certain level of functionality will cost rather than faint on the floor when they say a base tractor with a loader starts at $21K, not the $15K I had hoped. An EDUCATED consumer is a GOOD consumer.

My recollection for Kioti: Base 20hp CK with FEL is about $12-13K, Base 30hp CK with FEL about 15K and base 40hp DK with FEL about 20-21K if I recall correctly. All HST. Of course the various deals they have will influence those prices. I haven't checked prices for a while so those may be out of date but the relative differences are probably right.

JD and others put up very detailed list price information which is very nice however it doesn't address the typical discount which obviously varies with both dealer and region quite a bit. Also, JD and Kubota both have lots of options you can order while most Kioti's come fully loaded and there are relatively few options to consider.

 

[wallace]

Kioti tractors is a wholly owned subsidiary of Daedong, and will be backed up by the actual manufacturer much stronger than Bobcat. I hear that Bobcat and Daedong's relationship will soon split perhaps next year.

As for Kioti, I think they want customers to deal directly with dealers rather than search everything online...

HERE WE GO AGAIN!

 

[IslandTractor]

HERE WE GO AGAIN!

While you are listening Rick, how about piping in on the true differences between Kioti and Bobcat versions of the same tractor. I'm pretty sure all the mechanicals etc are the same (excepting attachments) but how about standard items like remotes, draft control, suspension seats etc. Are those literally identical or is there some variation?

(for new TBNners, Rick has been both a Kioti and Bobcat dealer so there is no one on the planet who can answer the question more accurately).

 

[wallace]

Bobcats do not offer draft. Remotes are options. All seat are suspension with the larger 3&4 series tractors having a deluxe seat standard and the smaller 1&2 series tractors have the deluxe as an option. The seats are different from Kioti. The Bobcat has a better seat by far!
The key switch and the wiring harness are different. The bobcat has safety switches located on the brake and seat.
Bobcat also includes a quick reference manual that stores in a pocket right below the steering wheel.

 

[IslandTractor]

The bobcat has safety switches located on the brake and seat..

How do you run a PTO powered chipper etc? Or attach a BH? Does the switch only shut off when not in neutral?

 

[bruceha2000]

Bobcats do not offer draft. Remotes are options. All seat are suspension with the larger 3&4 series tractors having a deluxe seat standard and the smaller 1&2 series tractors have the deluxe as an option. The seats are different from Kioti. The Bobcat has a better seat by far!
The key switch and the wiring harness are different. The bobcat has safety switches located on the brake and seat.
Bobcat also includes a quick reference manual that stores in a pocket right below the steering wheel.

OK, so someone buying new wants a Kioti with a series 3&4 Bobcat seat and WATERPROOF electrical connections: Why is this not standard on ALL tractors?? People generally use them outside where it could rain, right? Maybe not as important as it sounds? And we newbies want a quick reference manual so we don't have to get out the BIG manual to remember which lever/pedal/switch does what . I guess if the tractors are basically the same, the Bobcat QRM would apply to the Kioti as well

I notice that the Bobcat site doesn't show Kiotis in their "compare competitors" chart. Probably some legal agreement between the companies.