Any real differences between DK40/45/50 HST?

   / Any real differences between DK40/45/50 HST? #11  
Weight difference of the 3 models is in the engine. Larger bore and longer stroke with each HP increase, means bigger piston, longer rod, & more metal in the crankshaft. Everything else, except injection system, in the tractors are same parts.
 
   / Any real differences between DK40/45/50 HST?
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CM, he just wants to change the bucket not the loader. I did the same but put a bigger bucket w/toothbar on it. I move a lot of dirt and gravel and the big bucket saves me 1/3 in time and trips.

I know it's marketing, but good grief, just bore them all out to 50hp....that would be cheaper in the long run for Kioti. Less machinery, fewer parts, fewer brochures, etc. I bet they could cut the price of the 50 by $3-4K if they only made one model.

I guess its a way to pad profits a bit. I'm not say the extra HP isn't worth more, but it doesn't seem to cost Kioti much more and for cross shopping it would stand out I guess. A 50hp 4000lb tractor with the same price as the current DK40 would make in hard for the other CUT manufacturers to compete. But I guess all the manufacturers do it so maybe the marketers know something we don't?

I think I will probably just go with a 66" bucket and put the difference to a toothbar and loading the rear tires. Is the QA standard on Kioti's to work with a skid steer QA implement?
 
   / Any real differences between DK40/45/50 HST? #13  
Is the QA standard on Kioti's to work with a skid steer QA implement?

Yes sir it is! it is a single lever and easy as pie to switch attachments. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

David
 
   / Any real differences between DK40/45/50 HST?
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Yes sir it is! it is a single lever and easy as pie to switch attachments. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

David
Thanks David,
Weither Kioti thinks this forum is important or not, its a strong plus for me for buying a Kioti. Lots of information and troubleshooting sharing makes thinking about owning a tractor much less of a mystery!
For example, there a CaseIH 685 for sale for $16k(no tax for 60+ pto hp) at a dealer but there's no real good online forum for any of the 80's tractors, so I have no idea what are the known problems with that model or how to solve them. Redpower magazine forum is sort of Ok I guess but it seems that not many folks with the old beasts are online and yakking about them.
Also the more I read here about what folks are actually doing with a DK tractor, without stories of breaking them in two, or folding a loader up, the more impressed I am.
I guess with a loader on, a good heavy box blade on the back, and loaded rear tires, its going to be about 6000lbs which is getting close to a regular utility tractor weight and the loader is pretty much the equal of alot of older ~50hp utility tractors in lifting if not dump height.
 
   / Any real differences between DK40/45/50 HST? #15  
Weight difference of the 3 models is in the engine. Larger bore and longer stroke with each HP increase, means bigger piston, longer rod, & more metal in the crankshaft. Everything else, except injection system, in the tractors are same parts.

I do not think this is correct. The engines probably weigh the same within ten pounds or so. The 40's 2liter engine weighs 205lbs, the 45's 2.2 liter engine (bored out) weighs 208 and the 50's engine (bored and stroked) weighs 215. I think the only difference between the three engines is the bore size/piston diameter for the 40/45 and the different stroke between the 45 and 50.

Kioti's specs are notoriously poorly maintained on their website. I have no trouble imagining that the three different tractor weights are accounted for by poor editing and nothing else. It is possible that manufacturing changes have caused all the tractors to vary a bit from time to time but there are no significant changes in weight between different horsepower models.
 
   / Any real differences between DK40/45/50 HST? #16  
I know it's marketing, but good grief, just bore them all out to 50hp....that would be cheaper in the long run for Kioti. Less machinery, fewer parts, fewer brochures, etc. I bet they could cut the price of the 50 by $3-4K if they only made one model.

It is certainly a marketing not a manufacturing decision. I cannot imagine it costs more than fifty bucks in different piston sizes for the 40/45/50 engines as they are all the same except as noted earlier. Charging $1500 bucks extra for each 200cc increment in displacement surely does not reflect manufacturing costs at all.

I wonder sometimes why Kioti doesn't just stick the 50 into all of them and blow Kubota's doors off pricewise for the 50hp tractor. Given Kioti could sell it at a handsome profit for what they are charging for the 40 or even 45, they would probably have close to a $10,000 advantage at list over the same HP Kubota. Even Kubota/JD snobs would have trouble walking away from that.
 
   / Any real differences between DK40/45/50 HST? #17  
CM, he just wants to change the bucket not the loader. I did the same but put a bigger bucket w/toothbar on it. I move a lot of dirt and gravel and the big bucket saves me 1/3 in time and trips.

I know it's marketing, but good grief, just bore them all out to 50hp....that would be cheaper in the long run for Kioti. Less machinery, fewer parts, fewer brochures, etc. I bet they could cut the price of the 50 by $3-4K if they only made one model.[/QUOTE

You're absolutely right! On both counts, and I like the idea of the 50HP at a more reasonable price- heck I would have taken one myself if the price was right!:thumbsup: I meant to say bucket- duh:laughing:
So what bucket did you replace the factory bucket with? Show pics, give link, and $. :D:licking:

Thanks. And what do you do to move so much dirt/gravel?
 
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   / Any real differences between DK40/45/50 HST? #18  
I agree with Island tractor's assessment of the different tractor weights and such. There is little difference in the overall tractor except the obvious bore and displacement specs for each HP change. And at the factory it is not a big deal to run off a bunch of 40's followed by a bunch of 45's and then a bunch of 50's. It's the same block, so minimal setup time for the overbore and then fitting the longer stroke rods, etc.
Even if they dropped the 45 and just offered the 40 and 50 there would be possible savings to pass along to consumers for the benefit of competing with the other cuts for larger market share.
 
   / Any real differences between DK40/45/50 HST? #19  
   / Any real differences between DK40/45/50 HST? #20  
Here ya go:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kioti-owning-operating/124293-who-has-72-bucket-their.html

It's mostly dirt and shale that I move. But I do have a long dirveway that I spread gravel on when i can afford it. My farm has 20 ac of bottomland and subject to flooding yearly(maybe I should plant rice;)) So I have to bring in fill for any structure and build it up about a foot or two to keep it dry in the springtime. I have 2 different locations I can get slate out of a cut bank, so a bigger bucket saves me a lot of time.
I do kinda wish I had the smaller bucket for back dragging if nothing else..... and a Dump Trailer is in the works.
 

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