pto driven LARGE wood lathe

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mainegoatman

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I just did a a search for wood lathes on this site and nothing came up.

Here's what I'm thinking of building. A wood lathe for making 2 1/2" - 3" round spindles about 3' long for a loft railing and stairway. Nothing fancy, more along the "rustic" look. I have more time than money, I need about 70.

Has anybody built one - got pictures?
 
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Thanks for the links, I took a quick look and there seems to be some useful info there I could use. I'll read through them when I have some free time.

I'm thinking of connecting a "dog" directly to the pto shaft and using a tapered pin on the other end using some kind of cam lock to hold the wood stock in place. Making a lathe bed frame that attaches to the 3 point hitch or tractor frame to tie the 2 ends together. I like the idea of direct drive because I have a 2 speed pto on my old Kubota L2250 and could vary the speed without having pulleys or belts etc.

This lathe does not have to be pretty, I'll probably use for this one project and dismantle it. The spindles can be rustic (think round fence post rails)

I could use stock 10' long and make 3 at a time.

The reason I posted this on the tractor forum and not a woodworking forum is because I have a couple specific questions concerning using the pto. Would using a cam to apply lateral pressure against the dog attached to the pto shaft cause bad things to happen to the bearing and other components inside the tractor?

Has anybody out there done something like this and how did it work out?
 
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I did did a Google search and even on wood lathes of 16 to 20 inch most HP I see is 2 hp, and that is on a jet lath, even the powermatic with a 20" swing is only 2 hp, and is a variable speed motor, Wood Lathes Online | Home of the Wood Lathe and even this monster lath is only 3 hp Serious Wood Lathe - The Wood Turning Heavyweight

personally I think one that would drive a wood lath with a tractor PTO is a fool.

even on a large wood lath one only needs minimal power, (note the foot driven lathe),

I could see possibly a small 2 or 3 hp gas engine with drive reduction,

and I would not do a direct hook up as most likely the PTO shaft is not set up for thrust forces in the way a lath would be set up, and set it up with some type of slip clutch or belt drive that could not transmit the full power of the tractor, some type of weight based belt tightener,

I have a small wood lath and two metal laths one of the metal lathes is a 24 by 7 foot bed and even that only has a 5 hp motor, on it, (yes i know it is old)

building a lath I do not think would be that hard, but I would choose for a different method to power it,
 
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I agree. A used lathe is darn sure cheaper than a prosthetic limb. Bad idea.
 
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Harbor Freight has a cheep lathe that will do all that you want to do. For about $100 that is less than even building one out out of scrap metal.
 
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Harbor Freight has a cheep lathe that will do all that you want to do. For about $100 that is less than even building one out out of scrap metal.

Just buy a used rockwell/beaver/delta/powermatic. Costs less then harbor freight if your lucky, and is as good a lathe as there is. Read the post above to see how good a deal I got.
 
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As most have already said, bad idea.

I have an old Conover lathe with a 16" swing and can't image running it with anything more than a 1 hp motor.

Vic
 
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personally I think one that would drive a wood lath with a tractor PTO is a fool.

Well, OK . Not the first time I've been called a fool . Ask my wife she will happy to give you details.

Thanks for pointing out your safety concerns, point taken. I guess I'll go used lathe shopping.
 
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I would look at the older rockwell beavers, I have one and it is great.
 
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I think you are surrendering a little quick. Take a look at this youtube posting. I believe I would want double pillow blocks on the headstock and make allowances that you will be applying more power than the standard lathe. You could probably rig some belt changes for speed control in addition to the throttle speed. Might be over kill for the size of columms you are wanting to turn but should be as safe as any lathe if the same safety concerns are used.


‪turning timber column on lathe‬‏ - YouTube
 
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No, I think he’s surrendering at just the right time, before someone gets hurt. That link didn’t show anything in action, just pics. It claims to be turning it at 150 rpms, all we can do is trust them. I know darn well the PTO shaft is turning faster than that, not to mention the HP behind it. Way too many questions for me to trust it. Not everything on You Tube is a good idea. Not to mention it’s clearly cheaper to just buy one.
 
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Just buy a used rockwell/beaver/delta/powermatic. Costs less then harbor freight if your lucky, and is as good a lathe as there is. Read the post above to see how good a deal I got.

In my part of the world. I've been looking for most anything worth buying. Craig's list & other, nothing has come up.

Next is "If you get Lucky" it may be a good one. What good is a Bargain if its no good or neads major repairs.

Glad that you got lucky. :thumbsup:
 
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In my part of the world. I've been looking for most anything worth buying. Craig's list & other, nothing has come up.

Next is "If you get Lucky" it may be a good one. What good is a Bargain if its no good or neads major repairs.

Glad that you got lucky. :thumbsup:

I also saw another rockwell beaver lathe almost identical to mine, n the same site, a few weeks later, for $600, and it didnt have nearly as many extras.
 
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Sounds like I had better get out of dodge before I get someone hurt. I admit I have very little experience with wood lathes. All my wood experience has been with larger columms/pieces. I do have a 30" x 12-1/2' metal lathe that I have turned some columms on. Very slow but no wood lathes ro handle the large work. Also a 13" metal lathe. the 13" is only 36" between centers so is mainly to short for most wood projects. Please notice the columm turning utube lathe that I posted did have a slip clutch and headstock bearings like a common wood lathe.

Economics--probably be cheaper just to buy the columms. That way safety concerns would be splinters and dropping the columms on your toes.
 
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Economics--probably be cheaper just to buy the columms.

If you found as good a deal on a lathe as I did, and you were very good at turning, it would be cheeper to make them.

But if you could only find a lathe for $300+, or you were not that good at turning, it would not be worth it, becuase the mistakes would waste alot of wood.
 
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A wood lathe is not rocket science,

take two Channel iron, or I beam for the bed, cut spacers and weld them in the center with a gap between the two channels or I beams, In MY opinion if the beams have narrow flanges most likely the better,

put that on a stand build a head stock (shaft set with two pillow block bearings,
have a key way cut in the shaft for a pulley or step pulleys, have one end threaded and or have a machine shop drill a hole in it or use some bushing stock tubing, and have a mortise taper reamed in to the end of the stock, (your going to need some type of drive, if threaded one could use a commercial face plate but if you get the taper put in one can use manufactured live center,

on the tail stock one will need to make so the center is the same hight as the head stock,

this could be a piece of tubing or nearly any thing that you can weld up, fix a flat to keep it aligned on the bed, and then a hole for some type of bolt, to lock it down,

to make the tail stock so one can adjust it, my thought has all ways been to use a large thread shaft and then weld two nuts on the tail stock you made, put a hand wheel on the tail end and (if it was me I would have a hole drilled into and ream a mortise taper in the front end, so one could use a commercial made centers, but if not even having the center turned into the threaded shaft, take a third nut to use as a locking nut, this way one can adjust the tail stock by turning the threaded shaft when correct tighten up the the third nut to lock the shaft in place,

here is form with a home made lathe some what to what I described, the bed is a little different, but the head stock and tail stock is similar, http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/f12/homemade-lathe-3037/ about half way down, the page,

if your doing large items one may have to make special centers to hold the work correctly and safely,

I do not think that making the lathe is a poor idea, I do think that powering it with the tractor with out any way to quickly shut it down is and not limiting the power to the unit,

I made a small lath when I was in high school with some 3 inch channel iron and it worked well, (it would have have been much better if I would have had the shaft turned and a Mortise taper put in, as I had crude home made centers, (if having the taper cut is not possible, one could have a "Solid Drill Sockets" pressed into the shafts and lock tighted, (there mortise taper and hardened, and a round and straight out side),

one can buy a reamer or a scocket from ENCO or MSC, travelers and Wholesale tool,
or an other of the machine tool supply places,
(this is jsut an example Solid Drill Sockets (Hardened & Ground -- WT Import))
 
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also do not over look old metal lathes, I think I only payed a few hundred for the old 24" by 7 foot bed lath I have,

I know it is a dark picture, but one can kinda get an idea, and will work for wood if one wants, to, one may need to make a tool rest if one wanted to do a lot I just clamp a bar in the tool holder and even used the tools for metal work to turn some with it,

one time even set it up one time with the router to make flutes in the columns
 

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