You very possibly can. It goes by GVWR, among other things. You will not be likely to get to enough GVWR with passenger car but it is more likely with a subby, especially a 3/4 or 1 ton subby.
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You very possibly can. It goes by GVWR, among other things. You will not be likely to get to enough GVWR with passenger car but it is more likely with a subby, especially a 3/4 or 1 ton subby.
But the trailer isn't registered an RV is it?
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Last I checked, nothing gets registered as "RV". My 27ft travel trailer is registered as a "trailer", my 10k dump trailer is registered as a "trailer", and all our equipment trailers from a 12k bumper pull to a 20-ton tri-axle low boy are all registered as a "trailer".
Like I said, it's not about how's it's registered but how it's used. I can haul a 20 ft enclosed cargo trailer loaded to over 10k lbs with snowmobiles, cars, ATV's, etc... without a CDL but if I were hauling landscaping and building supplies for work then I would be using the trailer "commercially" and that's when you need a CDL.
Motorhomes, camper trailers and boat trailer are registered as RV. Even the link that Diamond posted say it has to be registered as an RV to fall under that exemption.
It isn't always how you use it. I can tow a trailer over 10k without a CDL as well. As long as the combined GVWR is under 26k or you fall under an exemption.
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/plateguide/misc.htm
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It may say that but we do not have RV plates either. We have trailer plates that are sold in 3,000# increments and truck plates that are sold in weight classes. Passenger vehicle plates can also be put on trucks with no weight limit.:confused2:
Chris
I had access to a certified axle scales the other day so did some weighing.
My truck is a 2000 F250, 7.3L Diesel, AT, SRW, Extended Cab, Shortbed, Lariat model, half a tank of fuel.
My trailer is a Neal Brand GN, 28' + 4' dovetail, no ramps, wood deck, dual wheeled 10K Dexter axles, no spare.
Here's my results.
Empty Truck: Front axle 4110lbs. Rear axle 2730Lbs. Total 6840lbs.
Truck and empty trailer: Front axle 4080lbs. Rear axle 3700lbs. Trailer axles 5910lbs. Total 13,690lbs.
Loaded as pictured with two Jeeps: Front axle 4130lbs. Rear axle 4770lbs. Trailer axles 12,290lbs. Total 21,090lbs.
I was surprised by a couple things. First my trailer weight is 6850lbs. At least it's not 9000lbs as some suggested it was. But still heavier than I expected.
Second,I was surprised that increasing the total package weight by 14,250lbs only added 20lbs to the truck front axle??
On the other hand I was pleased that it added 2040lbs to the rear axle of the truck.
I like that the trailer is carrying the majority of the weight which was my goal. It pulls very well loaded as pictured.
For the safety police, internet researching revealed my truck's GCWR at 20,000lbs. So I am 1090lbs overloaded.
Overall I like the balance. I bought this trailer without a dovetail and added it myself. That's why my axles are so far forward. For what I'm doing I like that. Puts a bigger percentage of the weight onto the trailer axles and drastically increases the ability to get into tight spots.
I'm no trailer expert so open to any comments/suggestions.
Chris, looks like his Ford truck has 40% of the weight on the rear axle when empty. Just so you know in the future. This is what you said in a recent thread.
"I do not have a link to the year I have but here is Fords 2011. It clearly shows they have tons of GVWR packages but as you can see they have 11,500# package still on a Supercab and Crew Cab 4x4 SRW trucks.
My truck has a 6,000# front axle and a 7,280# rear axle. Truck is a 2006 F-350 SRW 4x4 Supercab Diesel.
I seriously doubt there is 40% of the weight on the rear axle when empty. It would be luck to be 30%. I can tell this when I jack it up to rotate my tires every other oil change.
2011 Ford Super Duty | View Payload Specifications | Ford.com
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Yes, on his truck it is clearly 40% and mine may very well be also. The issue is there are tons of GVWR packages on these trucks so who knows? Also, his truck is 6 years different than mine with a totally different drive train so what does this prove? Its like comparing a 1980 F-150 to a 2011 F-150, just no comparison????:confused2:
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In the great state of Georgia if the vehicles are used for personel use, no money exchanged, you do not need a CDL. like i said this is georgia and the info came straight from a DOT Bear. probably the same one that gave me a ticket for not having a CDL when i had a hotshot company. I normally was at 25K but that day i was 33400 CGVR. went and got my CDL'S and the judge dismissed the ticket. thanks Mr. judge!!