How far can LEO go?

[EE_Bota]

I was brought up to never question a police officer on duty... yes sir was how my folks told me to respond.

I never saw much use in it either, but:
When I was stopped for going 56 in a 55 by an patrolman on the move, I asked him to show me the reading. He said there is not a "reading" that he used time over distance. I said I was surprised a Patrolman can do that on the move, and then I made a critical mistake: I asked him how fast he was going.

Even though I was right beside him in his car, and the windows were rolled up he yelled "That's none of your G..D business you S. O. ~ how fast I was going, I'm the law here."

That very well might have been his longest stop ever. We had lots to talk about after he said that. It got so perverted I INSISTED on a ticket and he refused...
It was not good.

 

[Bird]

I take it then a notation about the sn is made in a log, and then later checked against 'stolen' reports?


soundguy

I'm sure it's different in different departments and at different times. In times long past, before computers, we got a "hot sheet" each day at roll call with the license number and description of all the cars and trucks reported stolen in the last week; about 10-11 new ones a day in Dallas. To check anything else on the radio, the dispatcher would have a clerk call the report division to ask. Now either the dispatcher or the officer in the car has a computer and can check serial numbers nationwide in seconds or minutes.

 

[Bird]

I was brought up to never question a police officer on duty... yes sir was how my folks told me to respond.

Yep, me, too. In fact, I always just assumed that to talk back to an officer would result in a whipping by the officer and/or my dad.

I also heard other boys and young men complain about the way officers talked to them and about officers searching their cars when they hadn't done anything wrong.

I'm sure such things happened, but I got some speeding tickets in my younger days, and before becoming an officer, I used to work nights in the Dallas Post Office, so I was out at night and got stopped a few times for no reason other than the officer wanted to know why I was where I was at that time of night. I was always courteous with the officers and they were always courteous with me. I even got a couple of traffic tickets I didn't think were right, but I never had an officer say or do anything out of line or even ask to search my car.

 

[deepNdirt]

I still say that if LEO fills need to check serial # it would be better done at random checkpoints, and by people who know better what it is their looking for, and then everyone gets equal privilege of being inconvenienced at the same time,
This would also help to cut back on over use of fuel and fuel cost due to running up and down the roadways looking for someone to pull over, which ultimately comes down to increase tax dollars to cover the cost, etc,etc,
sure continue to set up surveillance on stop signs and red light control, and the obvious traffic control issues, But leave the investigating up to the INVESTIGATORS, jeesssh!

every LEO who has replied has stated as though Investigators rely on them (LEO's)for leads, But on the contrary, it is the general public that assist in most track downs of people and or stolon items, when asked have we seen? or do you know which way they are heading? or what did they look like? etc,etc, so on... the very same Public who LEO insist in pulling over and checking out, So why are we so eager to help when a lookout (wanted Alert) has been issued and put on TV for help from us to find a person who committed a crime... I'll tell you why... because Most of us want to see bad people put away,we are not the bad people and we certainly don't want to be thought of as a bad person ( criminal ) By LEO's via put through a rundown or run serial numbers on what is rightfully ours,

There has to be a better answer as to why they choose to do as they do,
I remember back 60's 70's 80's Leo would setup checkpoints or better called road-blocks to check for licenses, insurance and registration,and of course DUI's.... and if You were DUI or had no licenses or insurance you were a criminal,

not as they do in these days with thoughts of you as a criminal first and then having to prove you are not, and when its clear to them you are all legal,
again I'll say it, we all must be guilty until we can prove our innocence,

 

[Bird]

not as they do in these days with thoughts of you as a criminal first and then having to prove you are not, and when its clear to them you are all legal,
again I'll say it, we all must be guilty until we can prove our innocence,

Sorry, but I just cannot imagine what makes you think that. You never have to prove you're not a criminal. The officer has to prove that you are, if you are. I just cannot imagine why anyone would object to an officer checking the serial number on a piece of equipment on the road. That is, unless you stole it, of course.:laughing:

 

[two_bit_score]

I never saw much use in it either, but:
When I was stopped for going 56 in a 55 by an patrolman on the move, I asked him to show me the reading. He said there is not a "reading" that he used time over distance. I said I was surprised a Patrolman can do that on the move, and then I made a critical mistake: I asked him how fast he was going.

Even though I was right beside him in his car, and the windows were rolled up he yelled "That's none of your G..D business you S. O. ~ how fast I was going, I'm the law here."

That very well might have been his longest stop ever. We had lots to talk about after he said that. It got so perverted I INSISTED on a ticket and he refused...
It was not good.

Good on you. He had it coming.

 

[looknlearn]

not as they do in these days with thoughts of you as a criminal first and then having to prove you are not, and when its clear to them you are all legal,
again I'll say it, we all must be guilty until we can prove our innocence,

Yep, that is what I have seen in the years I have been alive , and it doesn't set well with me.

 

[deepNdirt]

Sorry, but I just cannot imagine what makes you think that. You never have to prove you're not a criminal. The officer has to prove that you are, if you are. I just cannot imagine why anyone would object to an officer checking the serial number on a piece of equipment on the road. That is, unless you stole it, of course.:laughing:

Bird I respect your input and comments, and I know being of LEO yourself you can only think in a LEO's point of view,

Think though for a moment, if you were regular citizen, You had a chance to buy a couple of Motorcycles at a steal ...No Pun intended..., although you had to travel across 4 states to get them you take your trailer along to have way of getting them back, in 3 states you are Pulled over to just check out the trailer, all is cool and you don't mind assisting in anyway helpful so as long as you can get to the motorcycle on schedule time planed, You arrive at your destination in in 2 days and do in fact get the bikes, However! the owner of the Bikes only could provide you with a bill of sale, the titles were to be sent on to your address, you knew this of course ahead of time, even before leaving to get the bikes, Now You get ready to haul them back....2 very nice Harley Davidson's, everyone who See's them are envious of you,
especially the LEO's who are pulling you over in each of the 4 states you've past through, having been stop numerous of times on way there and back lets say 7 times , just so LEO could run a check on the Bikes, of course you know you are good and legal and have nothing to worry about, but lets say with all the time accumulated during these stops it total 3 1/2 hours,
would you say that LEO has been reasonable? or did the thought ever accrue to you that you were being treated like you might have possession of stolen Bikes?

Now with these 3 1/2 hours lost when you get home you don't even fill like unloading the bikes, You leave them overnight on your driveway and go on to bed, the next morning you awake to having no motorcycles, oops! where were the LEO then? Hmmmmm Now they have reason to stop you only now you no longer have motorcycles. :confused2:

You call the LEO they take a report meanwhile You are asking neighbors if they seen anything, You are calling your own hired investigator, You are peed off cause you didn't unload the Motorcycles and put them in the garage before going to bed, wait! You just realized something....it was due to LEO Pulling you over all the many times who caused you to get home late at night, .................. Now Bird...this scenario is the normal life styles of the public,

 

[dcyrilc]

No. It's not.

X2. In all my years I've never even been stopped with a trailer on. That includes the 600 miles I logged last weekend.

 

[two_bit_score]

X2. In all my years I've never even been stopped with a trailer on. That includes the 600 miles I logged last weekend.

99.9% of the time anyone gets involved with the cops there is a reason for it. And the cops are not usually the reason.