DK40SE Squeal When Moving in Reverse.

[grsthegreat]

again, i hope that Kioti fixes the problem that has been had with a few tractors. But not all if them have this problem. Mine makes no sounds at all.

I am interested in what this sound is though.

 

[Coyote machine]

Went back to the first of these post about squeal, I had no idea this had been going on for so long. My kioti sales rep called this morning and needed to stay home with his 10 month old sick baby. So reset for tomorrow to settle on what extras for the DK45SE HST without cab. I will bring up squeal problem and see what he knows about it. I was very sold on this tractor and Kioti until I found this thread, maybe another brand might be the way to go. I will post what I decide after tomorrows meeting.

IMHO, a few random tractors in a brand would not deter me from the brand nor would it make me have any less faith in Kioti's ability to resolve the issue at some time in the near future, (hopefully nearer). I've had two Kioti's and both have been excellent, aside from the squeal issue with the DK-40 I currently own.

I'd also compare rated HP on a 40 and a 45 and see if there is any real advantage to getting the 45 over the 40 for price and additional HP. The 40 is considered the sweet spot of the Kioti line and could do what you need without extra $ spent.
If I heard my dealer correctly the transmissions are made in Scandanavia. I could have heard him wrong, but somehow I doubt it, though I'm not ruling out an error on my part....

 

[Coyote machine]

Hi, I will most likely stick with Kioti just gives one a little worry over this problem that has gone on for so long. I do understand the DK40 sweet spot but I have the bucks and want the few extra HP, and the 45 seems to be calling to me. extras for sure Woods brush hog, 6ft Woods gradder blade, and next month or 2 a backhoe either KB2485 or Woods BH90-X. Getting this for the great work this machine can do, I have a small place and could get most done with a much smaller tractor, but want something with a little more guts to it. I know that sounds silly but oh well. I will post what ever happens after meeting with the Kioti sales rep. I'm a retired guy with a little land that I can have some fun with and maybe leave it better than when I got it(been here 33 years). Never owned a tractor before, my only home and farm machines here have been Hay convayer, lawn mowers, garden tiller(5hp), and a very well homemade wood splitter(made by son inlaw). Looking forward to finding out where this tractor takes me.

Just trying to save you some $ on the extra HP, but do understand the want it, can afford it reasoning. FWIW, I like my Kioti KB2485 backhoe, its made by Kioti and fits well and works great. Ask your dealer to make up a loop hydraulic hose to stick into the remote valve setup, (assuming he puts one in before you buy have a backhoe; I don't remember if it is a standard item already installed from the factory), so you don't deadhead the hydraulic pump by accidentally bumping or leaving the A/B stick in any position other than neutral, when nothing is attached to the remote valve.

Good luck with your purchase.:thumbsup:

 

[mtr1950]

Did you put a thumb on your KB2485? If you did what kind? Still waiting for the call from the sales rep so no final price yet. I will ask about the loop hydraulic hose. KB2485 reads like a great unit, but th BH90-X with that curved boom looks like it could tear the World apart. From reads on the internet Woods also offers mechanical or hydraulic thumbs for the BH90-X size backhoe. Haven't made up my mind yet about BH but will post when I do.

 

[dfkrug]

Mine, if I buy it will be put together and shipped from Calif.

From CA? That's interesting. The last I heard Kioti closed their warehouse
in W. Sacto (where I picked up my CK20) and the closest is now in TX. Of
course, if you are buying from a dealer in CA, they are the ones who
normally uncrate and install wheels, ROPS, etc. Sounds like a double-ship to
me.

The Bobcat versions of that DK come from a warehouse in Fargo, ND.

 

[IslandTractor]

Did you put a thumb on your KB2485? If you did what kind? Still waiting for the call from the sales rep so no final price yet. I will ask about the loop hydraulic hose. KB2485 reads like a great unit, but th BH90-X with that curved boom looks like it could tear the World apart. From reads on the internet Woods also offers mechanical or hydraulic thumbs for the BH90-X size backhoe. Haven't made up my mind yet about BH but will post when I do.

I have a BH90x on my DK40se both of which I love and the Woods mechanical thumb which I don't. I might feel differently if I did not also own a grapple but with a grapple on the FEL the thumb is essentially superfluous. Might also feel differently if I were building a long stone wall and had the hydraulic version. Basically IMO the thumb is overrated and underutilized. Spend the money on a grapple and controls instead then see if you really need a thumb as well.

 

[Kiotikarl]

Interesting tread I have a 2009 DK45SE HST with cab, 150hr and i did notice some noise in the drive train that wasn't there before, thought might be juste me:confused2: but appearantly not. Has anyone found a cure for this probleme? Gonna call my dealer tomorrow.
I don't have a backhoe on mine, but a rear blower with hydraulic chute and rotation. I did notice that when the noise is present, especially in reverse if i did raise or lower the loader, the noise would become nearly silent. I also noticed a slower travel speed in high range 2-3km less. Also while blowing snow in reverse (more than 10in) the tractor would jerk/loose power.

 

[mtr1950]

dfkrug, dealer is located in Hoquiam, WA., I'm in Aberdeen, WA. My Kioti guy only mentioned it would be put together and ship from CA, I will get more info and post as soon as I'm sure of his info.

IslandTractor, I sure like the look of the BH90-X, not going to get a backhoe for a month but no longer then 2. Should give me enough time with the tractor to figure out what to go with. Where did your Grapple come from, did you install yourself?

 

[IslandTractor]

IslandTractor, I sure like the look of the BH90-X, not going to get a backhoe for a month but no longer then 2. Should give me enough time with the tractor to figure out what to go with. Where did your Grapple come from, did you install yourself?

The famous Rick Wallace and his merry men prepared my tractor and BH then delivered it. I have no idea how the BH's come from the factory. There is nothing particularly difficult to comprehend in how it is put together so long as you follow directions on the hydraulic hook ups.

I like the Woods BH90x very much but the Kioti BH subframe is easier and quicker to mount/dismount.

 

[mtr1950]

Island Tractor, talked on phone with my kioti rep, $22,500 for DK45SE HST, Woods BrushHog 72inch $1750, Woods 6ft back gradder $375. Will meet with him at dealer tomorrow to do the order, I put $30,000 cash by to get this going so will start looking for a backhoe and add what I need. Thanks for the info on Woods and Kioti backhoes, I will post what I finally decide on. From what I have read Rick Wallace is someone to have with you when hunting equipment, no matter what the brand, I believe he would get you the right model at a fair price.

 

[o2batsea]

Did you put a thumb on your KB2485? If you did what kind? Still waiting for the call from the sales rep so no final price yet. I will ask about the loop hydraulic hose. KB2485 reads like a great unit, but th BH90-X with that curved boom looks like it could tear the World apart. From reads on the internet Woods also offers mechanical or hydraulic thumbs for the BH90-X size backhoe. Haven't made up my mind yet about BH but will post when I do.

Take the money you would spend on the backhoe and buy the cab version DK45. Unless you plan on digging a pool or something having a backhoe for use around your property is overkill. Mine just takes up space. I have used it maybe twice. I only bought it cuz it was part of the package (on a used DK45 cab tractor). You have to have some place to store that thing too

 

[IslandTractor]

Take the money you would spend on the backhoe and buy the cab version DK45. Unless you plan on digging a pool or something having a backhoe for use around your property is overkill. Mine just takes up space. I have used it maybe twice. I only bought it cuz it was part of the package (on a used DK45 cab tractor). You have to have some place to store that thing too

Fair point. If you don't really need a backhoe don't get one (or sell the one you don't use). Alternatives are to subcontract out occasional backhoe work or to rent a small excavator to do work yourself. However, sometimes the calculus really does work in favor of the backhoe. If you have limited time to work on a project it makes sense to have the backhoe handy rather than spend half a day renting and trailering a rental to and from your site. Professional excavators can be very cost effective but some projects don't allow the pro to do all the work at once and it gets real expensive to get a contractor to come back several times as you need him. Finally, the BH you buy can almost always be sold especially if it is a recognized brand. If I bought a Woods BH for 8000, did projects for two years until I no longer needed it and then sold it for 5000 I'm sure it would have worked out financially in my favor.

 

[o2batsea]

Fair point. If you don't really need a backhoe don't get one (or sell the one you don't use). Alternatives are to subcontract out occasional backhoe work or to rent a small excavator to do work yourself. However, sometimes the calculus really does work in favor of the backhoe. If you have limited time to work on a project it makes sense to have the backhoe handy rather than spend half a day renting and trailering a rental to and from your site. Professional excavators can be very cost effective but some projects don't allow the pro to do all the work at once and it gets real expensive to get a contractor to come back several times as you need him. Finally, the BH you buy can almost always be sold especially if it is a recognized brand. If I bought a Woods BH for 8000, did projects for two years until I no longer needed it and then sold it for 5000 I'm sure it would have worked out financially in my favor.

Meh, I'd take the cab over the BH any day if it was the same money. Obviously having both is the best option. I should think that with 30 large you can get it all as long as you get the shuttle shift and not HST.

 

[kattywumpus]

mtr1950, my recommendation is work out an agreement with your dealer prior to the purchase that you are allowed to return the tractor at no cost to yourself if the problem occurs within 2 weeks. Get it in writing and the dealer agrees to pickup the tractor. The squeal started on my tractor within 10 hours of use. The dealer I purchase from refused the return. If I would have had the means I would have transported the tractor back to the dealer and demand my money back. There is no reason as the customer you should need to roll the dice.

Get a cab!

 

[mtr1950]

Some really good points of view. Have not put much thought into cab but will now, we get a good deal of rain here in my part of Washington State, but have never let wet weather keep me from going and doing, just dress for and get to it. Both kids have places with more land then us, one lives 3/4's of a mile away, other about 5 miles. Between the 3 place's we can put this to good use, we all have some digging, brushing, tree moving, field cutting to keep buttercups and stuff from taking over. This comes with a front end loader for the same 22,500 price, I don't think I mentioned that before. Island Tractor has me thinking about adding a grapple, more sooner then later, adding a Cab makes sense. I have covered room to keep all this stuff, barn area and a good size shop, both still with room. Like I mentioned earlier, this is my first tractor, not just me but for all of us, kids places included, I believe it will be a major impact on the way we all do things with our places. I'm looking forward to learning how to work this machine, and see just where it takes me. Sure do like the looks of both KB2485 & BH90-X.

 

[mtr1950]

KattyWumpus, Good advice I will push for the return if the squeal comes on, 2 weeks seems fair to ask for. Both of the kids have 10,000lb rated trailers, one is for hobby stock racing, other for getting hay for our horses. We all share our outside equipment, so getting this back to dealer would be no trouble. The cab makes sense, it all makes sense, just need to decide what to get and in what order.

 

[kattywumpus]

I have used my KB2485 for a lot of earthwork, lately it been drainage work. It's held up well. Just make sure the dealer installs the frame right side-up, not upside down like mine did. See the picture link. Also get the return line fill port kit to use with the backhoe. Work with both backhoes. The only con I can think of is the KB2485 quick attach frame is large making it more of a challenge to storage then the BH90-X.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...ueal-went-moving-reverse-backhoe-subframe.jpg

 

[kco]

I can see the advantage of a cab, especially while mowing a pasture and for snow clearing, but it doesn't make sense for everyone. My dealer wanted me to get a cab when I got my DK35 as he had one on the lot and would have given me a great deal.

But much of my work is brush hogging and wood gathering on very narrow, hilly, and winding trails. By now (after 52 hrs) I'm sure I would have at least managed to rip off one of the mirrors.

 

[mtr1950]

KattyWumpus, is your picture link showing the corret installation? Great picture, shows lots of detail.

 

[mtr1950]

KattyWumpus, Sorry for the sp, correct installation.