bx1830 vibration loss of power

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MattJ

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Hello, I have read this forum for a while and found it has alot of great advice. I currently have an issue with a BX1830. I was pulling a trailer that was probably about 2000lb, not too aggresively, when suddenly I started to get a lot of vibration and feedback in the foot peddle and it sounded like it was starved for hydraulic pressure. Once it was up to speed the vibration stopped, by any demand on it load wise and it started again.

The tractor has ~500hrs on it and has also been well maintained and used mainly for mowing and clearing snow.

Looking at the shop manual and reading some other threads here I did the following:

First I checked the hydraulic oil level, it was fine. Thinking the screen might be plugged I went ahead and did an hydraulic oil change (super UDT2), and changed the filter, and cleaned the screen. The filter had a few dings but was intact, the screen had about tiny of metal on it, but this was the first time it was cleaned.

I then checked the pressure on the loader hydraulics both at a standstill and while moving up a hill with the vibration occuring. Both were a bit high (I used shims in the past as the pressure was low at 400hr). At a standstill the pressure was around 1900, and under load up the hill the motor wasn't bogging at all, the vibration was occuring, but the loader pressure read around 2000psi. So it seems the hydro pump is working fine.

Next I went through cleaning the charge relief valve and the PTO relief valve(both looked great), and I tested the pressure at the high relief check location within the forward direction circuit. It was a few hundred psi when I had the tractor on jacks, in high range and with the peddle depressed forward per the manual. The manual listed the high pressure relief dumps at 1990 psi. I applied the brake as hard as I could and pressed forward and the vibration was occuring and the pressure read around 1000 psi. As an fyi the vibration occurs in both forward and reverse.

I'm not sure what the normal pressure should be but it seems like the hydraulic motors were not getting enough flow/pressure. I started to wonder if the high pressure on the implement relief valve might be to blame. Per the manual the flow from the hyd pump comes past the relief valve, and then is divided between the accessories and HST by the flow priority valve. I was wondering if too high of a relief pressure setting was causing an issue. So I took my shims out and got the pressure at the loader down to the lower end of the range in the manual (1750). Driving the tractor the problem isn't as bad but trying to scoop dirt or drive up hills there still isn't much power. Even in low range driving forward to scoop light mulch it starts to vibrate and doesn't have much power. The vibration feeds back all the way through the peddle even and seems like hydraulic chattering. Could the flow priority valve be dumping too much to the implements and not delivering the required flow/pressure to the HST?

Thanks for your help.

- Matt
 
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Hello, I have read this forum for a while and found it has alot of great advice. I currently have an issue with a BX1830. I was pulling a trailer that was probably about 2000lb, not too aggresively, when suddenly I started to get a lot of vibration and feedback in the foot peddle and it sounded like it was starved for hydraulic pressure. Once it was up to speed the vibration stopped, by any demand on it load wise and it started again.

The tractor has ~500hrs on it and has also been well maintained and used mainly for mowing and clearing snow.

Looking at the shop manual and reading some other threads here I did the following:

First I checked the hydraulic oil level, it was fine. Thinking the screen might be plugged I went ahead and did an hydraulic oil change (super UDT2), and changed the filter, and cleaned the screen. The filter had a few dings but was intact, the screen had about tiny of metal on it, but this was the first time it was cleaned.

I then checked the pressure on the loader hydraulics both at a standstill and while moving up a hill with the vibration occuring. Both were a bit high (I used shims in the past as the pressure was low at 400hr). At a standstill the pressure was around 1900, and under load up the hill the motor wasn't bogging at all, the vibration was occuring, but the loader pressure read around 2000psi. So it seems the hydro pump is working fine.

Next I went through cleaning the charge relief valve and the PTO relief valve(both looked great), and I tested the pressure at the high relief check location within the forward direction circuit. It was a few hundred psi when I had the tractor on jacks, in high range and with the peddle depressed forward per the manual. The manual listed the high pressure relief dumps at 1990 psi. I applied the brake as hard as I could and pressed forward and the vibration was occuring and the pressure read around 1000 psi. As an fyi the vibration occurs in both forward and reverse.

I'm not sure what the normal pressure should be but it seems like the hydraulic motors were not getting enough flow/pressure. I started to wonder if the high pressure on the implement relief valve might be to blame. Per the manual the flow from the hyd pump comes past the relief valve, and then is divided between the accessories and HST by the flow priority valve. I was wondering if too high of a relief pressure setting was causing an issue. So I took my shims out and got the pressure at the loader down to the lower end of the range in the manual (1750). Driving the tractor the problem isn't as bad but trying to scoop dirt or drive up hills there still isn't much power. Even in low range driving forward to scoop light mulch it starts to vibrate and doesn't have much power. The vibration feeds back all the way through the peddle even and seems like hydraulic chattering. Could the flow priority valve be dumping too much to the implements and not delivering the required flow/pressure to the HST?

Thanks for your help.

- Matt

The hydro tranny has its own supply pump. Tractor hydraulics have nothing to do with the tranny.
Your problems sounds like the drive shaft from the engine to tranny has a vibration. Likely a bad u-joint.
 
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I'll check the workshop manual again but I am pretty sure there's one pump and the flow priority valve splits the flow between the HST and the accessories. I'm pretty sure its nota u-joint as I can have it running full throttle with no noise or vibration, but if I move forward under load it vibrates and has much less power than it has during the previous 500hrs. It could hardly drive into a loos mulch pile to scoop it up.

Thanks
 
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Just a guess, and I hope I am wrong, but my guess is the Hydrostatic Pump has a stuck piston. :(
I base this only on your symptoms and the design of these HST systems, not on experience. Again, I hope I am wrong.
 
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I am trying to figure out these HST's a little more. So as a complete novice what led to the idea about the stuck piston, any ideas on how it could have happened, and is it something that can be serviced?

As an update I did pull the flow priority valve, cleaned it all out and reassembled it. Didn't look bad at all, but this didn't solve the problem. Same situation, the hydro makes not much noise at all under low load situations, but climbing hills or trying to push the blade in it vibrates strongly. Also, at a standstill is seems to have a trace sound of hissing, like the sound of the oil going through a restricted orfice.

Thanks again
 
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As an additional thought vibration might be the wrong term. Now thinking of it the noise is more like chatter. This used to happen if I pushed into a pile of dirt very hard. Like a relief valve was chattering. Now it happens under any load of signifigance, like trying to climb a hill.
 
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As an additional thought vibration might be the wrong term. Now thinking of it the noise is more like chatter. This used to happen if I pushed into a pile of dirt very hard. Like a relief valve was chattering. Now it happens under any load of signifigance, like trying to climb a hill.

Does it do it in reverse too? There are forward and reverse relief valves on the transmission.
 
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I reread your post and see it is in both directions. This may sound kinda dumb but are you sure it in the tranny and not the engine.?
 
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The engine seems to be running fine, is delivering lots of power to the PTO implements, and doesn't bog at all running up the hill. The disconnect seems getting that power to the wheels.
 
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