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/ At Home In The Woods #3,021  
Good for you, Obed. You'd be nuts not to cut it for firewood. Let me know if you need help burning it..... ;-)

mkane09

P.S. Since you sold the 61 acres, are you gonna have to change your name from Obed?
 
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Good for you, Obed. You'd be nuts not to cut it for firewood. Let me know if you need help burning it..... ;-)

mkane09

P.S. Since you sold the 61 acres, are you gonna have to change your name from Obed?
I'm still Obed, will always be Obed.

Obed
 
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Last night I read some of the Just got back from the ER - TractorByNet.com discussion to which Dave referred. After I got my chainsaw bound in a small maple tree a long while back, I couldn't get it to work and thought that I somehow broke the saw. The problem I was having was the chain would not turn. This morning while I was lying in bed, I remembered someone in the discussion mentioned the chain brake on his chainsaw. Then a light went on.

So today I checked out my saw. I observed that the brake was engaged! So I emptied the old gas, went out and bought some new gas and 2 cycle oil. Sure enough the saw works just fine. Duh. I feel kind of stupid that I haven't been able to use my saw all this time and there was nothing wrong with it. It sure would have come in handy last weekend when the hickory tree fell over the driveway.
 
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Now that I have a working saw, my excuses for not cutting up the hickory that fell a week ago were lacking. So I decided to cut up the logs that I had left on the ground when I cleared the driveway last week.

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I had used the tractor to push the logs off the driveway into the woods to get them out of the way. Today, I needed to move the logs out of the woods beside the driveway in order to cut them up. The first log was about 12 feet long. I couldn't budge it. I tried to roll it up onto the shoulder of the driveway by prying the log with my digging bar but was unsuccessful. Based on the weight of each firewood length piece I cut, I'm going to estimate that log weighed about 700 or 800 lbs. So I used the backhoe to roll the log out of the woods.

When I made my first cut on the log, I noticed my chain was very dull. At the rate I was cutting, it was going to take forever to cut the logs. So I went to the nearby True Value Hardware store and had them sharpen the blade for $5. It was well worth the time and money. The chain cut MUCH better. I finished all the cuts from the top side, then rolled the log over and finished the cuts. I'm starting to get a little better making the topside and bottomside cuts meet.

My length of my bar is only 14". It was a little shorter than some of the log pieces I was cutting. I would have liked to have a bigger chainsaw to speed up the cutting but my chainsaw was adequate.

I wanted to get a feel for how hard it would be to split these logs. When I tried my maul on the pieces, the maul just bounced off the log barely even making a dent. I then used my axe as a wedge and pounded the axe into the log using the back side of the maul as a sledge hammer. Using the axe as a wedge worked fairly well. I only split one log. Splitting this wood will have to wait for another time. Hickory apparently splits well because the grain doesn't twist badly. I wonder how much easier these logs will split when they are less green?

I definitely want a log splitter. Since we plan to heat the house primarilly using wood in the winter, I don't think I'll have the time to split all the wood by hand. I've never used a wood splitter so I've got some research to do. I'm pretty clueless regarding what to look for in a splitter.

'm not sure what to do with the forked log pieces. They look like a real pain to split. I might just push them back in the woods and let them rot for the next 20 years.

I used the FEL to carry the first 4 pieces to the house. I saw quickly that it would take forever to carry all the wood to the house using the tractor. Therefore I brought the truck back and fully loaded it with the remaining wood. One hesitation I had about using the truck was that it meant having to pick up each of the heavy logs and lift it into the truck. The bigger pieces were at the upper end if the max weight I'm willing to lift. I'm not exactly sure how much they weighed but I know they were much heavier than an 80 lb sack of concrete. I'm going to guess the biggest pieces weight between 100 and 120 lbs each. I'm amazed at how heavy hickory wood is. I guess the fact the tree is green doesn't help.

I was very careful to use good lifting techniques. I had to squat completely to the ground in order to lift these beasts without injuring my back. My wife is a physical therapist who has seen too many back injuries. My back is not perfect. I stupidly injured it while awkwardly lifting a heavy freezer a few years back. My back problem is not real bad but I have to be careful. Fortunately it is not a lower back injury; those seem to be the worst.

I stacked the wood at the garage end of the house. We have some existing wood under the tarp. We definitely need to figure out how to store our firewood. I anticipate we will need a place to store quite a bit. Cyril, I'd love to have a woodshed. I'm not sure what I'd want to build. Level spots near the house are very limited. We have a relatively level spot where the camper was parked. We are eying that spot as a potential location for a woodshed.

I'm very tired but feel satisfied at what I accomplished today. The majority of the remaining hickory tree is mostly lying up off the ground so I don't feel like I have to rush to cut the rest of it immediately.
 

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/ At Home In The Woods #3,025  
Glad to see your progress and that you didn't give the wood away!! You really need a splitter if you plan on useing wood for your heating you won't regret it!!! :thumbsup:
 
/ At Home In The Woods #3,026  
Last night I read some of the Just got back from the ER - TractorByNet.com discussion to which Dave referred. After I got my chainsaw bound in a small maple tree a long while back, I couldn't get it to work and thought that I somehow broke the saw. The problem I was having was the chain would not turn. This morning while I was lying in bed, I remembered someone in the discussion mentioned the chain brake on his chainsaw. Then a light went on.

So today I checked out my saw. I observed that the brake was engaged! So I got emptied the old gas, went out and bought some new gas and 2 cylcle oil. Sure enough the saw works just fine. Duh. I feel kind of stupid that I haven't been able to use my saw all this time and there was nothing wrong with it. It sure would have come in handy last weekend when the hickory tree fell over the driveway.
You wouldn't be the first person to make that mistake. Last year when we were clearing my land, my good friend was helping me and his chain stopped turning. He thought it was jammed with debris and was trying to rev it and drag the chain on a log to free it. After I asked him if the brake was on, he swore it was not. He handed it to me to take the chain off and clear the debris he thought was in there. I popped the chain brake OFF and oddly enough it worked now :)

Thing is - he has hundreds and hundreds of hours on chainsaws as he used to have a firewood business in his teenage and college years. It happens to the best of us....and yes, I've done it too.

Get a second saw, get some files and a file guide for sharpening and some safety gear. Having one really good saw in a bigger size (18-20" bar) with your current saw as the backup/small saw is the way to go. Spare chains are wise too.
 
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Cyril, I'd love to have a woodshed. I'm not sure what I'd want to build. Level spots near the house are very limited. We have a relatively level spot where the camper was parked. We are eying that spot as a potential location for a woodshed.

Ours is 12 ft wide by 6 ft deep. I went with those dimensions because I had extra pole building steel lying around. It's 7 ft tall in the front with the roof sloping down to 6 ft in the back and the roof cantalivers out in the front to accomidate 8 ft long steel. Walls on three sides with an open front.

My eventual intent is to poar a concrete floor and then put palets down for sitting the wood on. That way air will be able to circulate under the wood as well.

As for a splitter... Great idea. We have one which plugs into electricity to run hydraulics for the splitter. Works great and you don't have to disconnect whatever you have on the back of the tractor to run it. Seems to even do a fairly good job on those forked pieces. It didn't take long after getting the splitter to retire the maul most of the time.
 
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You wouldn't be the first person to make that mistake. Last year when we were clearing my land, my good friend was helping me and his chain stopped turning. He thought it was jammed with debris and was trying to rev it and drag the chain on a log to free it. After I asked him if the brake was on, he swore it was not. He handed it to me to take the chain off and clear the debris he thought was in there. I popped the chain brake OFF and oddly enough it worked now :)

Thing is - he has hundreds and hundreds of hours on chainsaws as he used to have a firewood business in his teenage and college years. It happens to the best of us....and yes, I've done it too.

BTDT. I would have sworn my lock wasn't set, but luckily I thought to check anyway.:laughing:


Get a second saw, get some files and a file guide for sharpening and some safety gear. Having one really good saw in a bigger size (18-20" bar) with your current saw as the backup/small saw is the way to go. Spare chains are wise too.

+1.:thumbsup: We have two saws. I use the smaller one most of the time, but I have the larger one for those times when it's needed. Definately worth the investment. Spare chains are good also. I have four for each saw.:thumbsup:
 
/ At Home In The Woods #3,029  
One hesitation I had about using the truck was that it meant having to pick up each of the heavy logs and lift it into the truck. The bigger pieces were at the upper end if the max weight I'm willing to lift.

Use your tractor to lift these pieces of wood. Roll them into the FEL and away you go.

Slower, but your back will thank you, especially when you get to my age.

This is really a job for a grapple, which would be much faster, but the FEL will do. BTW, the grapple will hold the log in the air while you chain saw a length off each end. No top & bottom cuts. When you get really good, hold the log over the pickup bed and the cut piece will fall right into the truck.
 
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dcyrilc said:
Ours is 12 ft wide by 6 ft deep. I went with those dimensions because I had extra pole building steel lying around. It's 7 ft tall in the front with the roof sloping down to 6 ft in the back and the roof cantalivers out in the front to accomidate 8 ft long steel. Walls on three sides with an open front.
Cyril,
Do you have any pictures of your woodshed?

As for a splitter... Great idea. We have one which plugs into electricity to run hydraulics for the splitter. Works great and you don't have to disconnect whatever you have on the back of the tractor to run it. Seems to even do a fairly good job on those forked pieces. It didn't take long after getting the splitter to retire the maul most of the time.
What make/model is your spliter? I researched splitters last night and am comfused. The electric splitters were $300+; the gas splitters were $1000+. I'm not sure what is good enough; I plan to split a lot of wood, mostly oak, with some poplar, maple, and hickory. I hate to spend $1000+ if $300 would do the job. I believe that I'll split my wood close to the house so electricity isn't a concern. Amount of time spent splitting, ease of use, and size of logs are the main factors I think I need to consider.

Obed
 
/ At Home In The Woods #3,031  
Obed,

If you are going to primarily heat with wood I would like to suggest a few things. Keep the little saw to use for trimming off the small limbs. Get a bigger saw for the big cuts. I have an old homelite with a 16 inch sword that my wife use to cut the limbs while I am working on the logs. My bigger saw is a Stihl farm boss. Husky also makes great saws. My Stihl is considered a medium duty saw. Both companies make professional grade saws as well. They are more expensive but probably worth the money if you use it enough. When I got the Stihl it had a 18 inch sword but I changed it to a 20 recently. Make sure you get the hardwood chains and throw away the worthless safety chain that most saws come with. I don't consider them safer and they do not cut as well. Next, learn how to touch up the chain with a file. That is the first thing I do before I start. If I am cutting a lot or get in the ground I will hit it again. One or two hits per tooth will keep it cutting very well. Get some wedges, you will need them.

You will definitely want a splitter! There really is not a lot to a wood splitter so one of the best ways to choose is to look at a bunch of them and choose the one that looks the strongest. OHV engines are nice but I would not use that as the highest importance. I assume all splitters have the fast return feature and the auto return stop but make sure. You will also want one that can work horizontal or vertical. I have no experience with one that can run off of a tractor but you may consider that. Personally I prefer the standalone type so the tractor is not tied up.

The most important thing to do when you are working with wood is to be very very careful. A chain saw or a wood splitter can do much bodily harm. When you get tired, quit. When you get ready to fell a tree make sure you have a clear escape route. If the tree gets hung on others, which happens often in a dense wooded area, be extra cautious because it is the most dangerous situation a wood cutter faces!

I have been cutting wood for many many years. I have had a few small injuries. In each case, the difference between a small and a large injury was just a few inches.

One more thing, I refuse to loan anybody a chain saw!

Happy cutting.
 
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Cyril,
Do you have any pictures of your woodshed?

What make/model is your spliter? I researched splitters last night and am comfused. The electric splitters were $300+; the gas splitters were $1000+. I'm not sure what is good enough; I plan to split a lot of wood, mostly oak, with some poplar, maple, and hickory. I hate to spend $1000+ if $300 would do the job. I believe that I'll split my wood close to the house so electricity isn't a concern. Amount of time spent splitting, ease of use, and size of logs are the main factors I think I need to consider.

Obed

I would not even consider an electric splitter.
 
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ruralruss said:
I would not even consider an electric splitter.

The folks at tractor supply have said the same.. If you are splitting more than a half cord, or knotty wood get a standalone gas splitter..

Here in wnc I've heard and seen many a cheap electric ones on craigslist.... A bad sign? I think so....
 
/ At Home In The Woods #3,034  
There are lots of threads about wood splitters. Depends on your needs which will suit you best.
I didn't want to spend a lot on one so built mine out of steel I had around and about $300 worth of hydraulics that I bought and run it off the tractor rear remotes. I have never needed to but I like that I can lay mine on the ground and roll large heavy rounds onto it. Most of my wood comes from trees the wind has knocked down so I rarely need to concern myself with felling.
 

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Cyril,
Do you have any pictures of your woodshed?

What make/model is your spliter? I researched splitters last night and am comfused. The electric splitters were $300+; the gas splitters were $1000+. I'm not sure what is good enough; I plan to split a lot of wood, mostly oak, with some poplar, maple, and hickory. I hate to spend $1000+ if $300 would do the job. I believe that I'll split my wood close to the house so electricity isn't a concern. Amount of time spent splitting, ease of use, and size of logs are the main factors I think I need to consider.

Obed

I'll grab some pix today with my cell phone. Won't be great pix, but they'll work. I'll also get the make & model on the splitter for you.
 
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There are as many opinions on wood splitters as there are wood splitters... I doubt you are thinking of making your own, but that question often gets asked. The consensus is that unless 1. you want something specific that it not offered or 2. you have free steel you will always come out behind vs just buying one.

The Huskee/Speeco brand from TSC or other places are often recommended as a pretty good value. They aren't high end, but they are solid and not too pricey. Still you will be looking at $1-2k, depending on the size you get. If you want beefier ones, then you step up to Iron & Oak or Timberwolf and they are substantially more $$, but built like tanks. You won't need that, but if you want high end, then that's what you do. The only caveat with buying a splitter from TSC is that it appears the monkeys they employ are incapable of assembling them correctly, so you need to check all fittings for tightness and oil levels before using.

In my case I got a Supersplitter, which is a different technology as it runs off a flywheel instead of hydraulics. They are spendy - $2-3k but they are super fast. Click on the videos link to see them in action. You almost never find them used as nobody gives them up.

Log Splitter, Wood Splitter - Super Split(R)

Basically whatever splitter you buy, you will have for a lifetime so get something respectable. Don't try one of those weenie little electric ones as it won't split anything.
 
/ At Home In The Woods #3,037  
Definatly get a gas unit. I just recently got a 27 ton troy bilt and have already split over 8 cord and it still is running strong. :thumbsup:Mine has a Honda motor on it.
 
/ At Home In The Woods #3,038  
Definatly get a gas unit. I just recently got a 27 ton troy bilt and have already split over 8 cord and it still is running strong. :thumbsup:Mine has a Honda motor on it.

Hard to argue with the Honda engine. Also make sure that there is a spin on hydraulic filter on the return line.
 
/ At Home In The Woods #3,039  
Obed,

If you are going to primarily heat with wood I would like to suggest a few things. Keep the little saw to use for trimming off the small limbs. Get a bigger saw for the big cuts. I have an old homelite with a 16 inch sword that my wife use to cut the limbs while I am working on the logs. My bigger saw is a Stihl farm boss. Husky also makes great saws. My Stihl is considered a medium duty saw. Both companies make professional grade saws as well. They are more expensive but probably worth the money if you use it enough. When I got the Stihl it had a 18 inch sword but I changed it to a 20 recently. Make sure you get the hardwood chains and throw away the worthless safety chain that most saws come with. I don't consider them safer and they do not cut as well. Next, learn how to touch up the chain with a file. That is the first thing I do before I start. If I am cutting a lot or get in the ground I will hit it again. One or two hits per tooth will keep it cutting very well. Get some wedges, you will need them.

You will definitely want a splitter! There really is not a lot to a wood splitter so one of the best ways to choose is to look at a bunch of them and choose the one that looks the strongest. OHV engines are nice but I would not use that as the highest importance. I assume all splitters have the fast return feature and the auto return stop but make sure. You will also want one that can work horizontal or vertical. I have no experience with one that can run off of a tractor but you may consider that. Personally I prefer the standalone type so the tractor is not tied up.

The most important thing to do when you are working with wood is to be very very careful. A chain saw or a wood splitter can do much bodily harm. When you get tired, quit. When you get ready to fell a tree make sure you have a clear escape route. If the tree gets hung on others, which happens often in a dense wooded area, be extra cautious because it is the most dangerous situation a wood cutter faces!

I have been cutting wood for many many years. I have had a few small injuries. In each case, the difference between a small and a large injury was just a few inches.

One more thing, I refuse to loan anybody a chain saw!

Happy cutting.

Good post!! Do you wear safety chaps?

MarkV
 
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Hard to argue with the Honda engine. Also make sure that there is a spin on hydraulic filter on the return line.

There is. :thumbsup:
 

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