I have a 2004 JD 110 TLB with approximately 1500 hours. Tonight while moving snow, the hydraulics stopped working. The FEL won't lift and the bucket will not curl. There doesn't appear to be any pressure to the backhoe either. The tractor moves forward and back and turns without issue. I checked the hydraulic fluid level and it is at a normal full level. I had been using the tractor for about 15 minutes when the hydraulics stopped working. There were no warning light flashes, and the hydraulic fluid temp was barely registering in the green. Outside air temp is approximately 15 degrees. No broken hoses or major leaks found. Any help with troubleshooting will be greatly appreciated.
JD 110 TLB Hydraulic Help
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kennyd
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Try unplugging the hoses that feed the hoe and then reconnect them.
Try unplugging the hoses that feed the hoe and then reconnect them.
CurlyDave
Elite Member
Check the positions of the SCV switches (page 30 and 31 in the manual).
I have had a similar thing when I inadvertently pushed one of these to the wrong position.
I have had a similar thing when I inadvertently pushed one of these to the wrong position.
Cycled the switches this morning and made sure everything was in the proper position. Started the tractor, let it warm up for about 30 minutes and still no luck. Prior to this I have had no issues with the hydraulic system other than the occasional leak caused by a loose connection. Before I call the dealer to come pick it up (I hate the thought of spending money on something I could have fixed) Is there something else I can check or do?
kennyd
Advertiser
I gave you one:thumbsup:
The dealer picked the tractor up this morning. Yesterday I finally had time to pull the suction screen. Needless to say my heart sank when I saw the amount of metal in the screen and fluid. I am looking at the upside. I will have a new pump and a complete dealer service/checkup before I start my spring projects. I told the dealer to go through it top to bottom and front to back. I am sure there will more than just the pump that will need replacing or adjusting, but at this point in time it will be worth it. I will let you know the final cost and what was done as soon as I know.
kennyd
Advertiser
Man, that really sucks! Thanks for letting us know what happened.
UPDATE:
I now have an expensive law ornament!
Background:
I grew up around heavy equipment (father was in construction) I am currently in the National Guard as a construction engineer, (20 years) and I have owned various tractors over the years. I am not new to heavy equipment.
I bought the JD 110 TLB that is at issue in these posts used. I bought it approximately 2 months ago (Dec 28, 2010) from a private sale. I was looking specifically for the 110. When I became aware of this one, I looked at, operated it, worked all the hydraulics, etc. Noticed minor problems, hose leaks, cylinder seepage, minor issues, nothing that jumped out.
After a few hours of light use around the house, mostly moving snow I noticed that a few of the bolts that run along the frame below the engine and support the front end loader and the front axle were loose. When I tried to tighten them I noticed that they were stripped and would not stay tight. A few on the other side were missing. I tightened all the others and was planning on purchasing new ones to replace the stripped ones. Before I could get the new bolts (I had planned on getting them on Saturday, the hydraulics quit on Friday) See my prior posts on the hydraulics quitting.
I had the local John Deere dealer pick the tractor up. The initial assessment was that something had failed in the pump. When the mechanics were troubleshooting they found that the coupling from the engine to the pump was busted. In looking further they found that the engine was out of alignment. Yesterday they called me to give me an update and said that the cause was that the bolts I had found loose along with many other were missing/broke/stripped/wrong size. There initial assessment was that I was looking at a $7000.00 repair. By the way, I spent $18,000 for the tractor.
I went to the shop this morning on my way into work. What I learned this morning was, after they called me yesterday the mechanics did some additional checking and found that some of the bellhousing and loader attachment points were broken. We are now somewhere in the $10,000 repair range. The mechanic explained to me that the issue has been going on for some time, that someone had attempted to fix the problem by drilling things adding over sized bolts, and other poor fixes. Holes are now elongated, threads gone, parts bent, components broken. If the problem had been properly fixed initially, this would not have happened.
After much hemming and hawing on my part, I gave them the go ahead to fix it. What other course of action was there? Unusable, no trade-in value, unsellable (too ethical for me to patch it up for sale so that someone is stuck like I am).
As much as I cringed at the $10,000 price tag, I was okay (life lessons can be expensive) About 30 minutes ago the dealer called. The transmission case needs to be replaced because of the misalignment damage. I am now looking at a $16,000 repair. I told the dealer to load it up and bring it home. Date and time of funeral to be provided (I have to laugh at this point)
Lessons learned:
Buyer beware. (knew that already, but dang it hurts to be reminded)
Fix it right the first time (I knew that too, but point driven home)
If you own a JD 110 TLB, make sure that the mount bolts are tight (If you are unsure of the bolts I am talking about, let me know and I will send you pictures)
I guess the upside to all of this, Is I still have all my fingers and toes. My wife hasn't left me (wait, I haven't told her yet...) and my dog will be waiting for me when I get home...my luck my German Shepard ran away to be with a a poodle. I will keep looking for an upside.
At this point I think the best I can do is parts out the tractor and try to recoup some of my losses.
Please do not take this posting as a slam against John Deere products. I just thought it might help someone else if they are starting to see loose bolts or are considering purchasing a used JD 110 tlb to make sure to check the bolts they can see and touch.
Work Safe, Play Hard, and Enjoy Everyday to the fullest
I now have an expensive law ornament!
Background:
I grew up around heavy equipment (father was in construction) I am currently in the National Guard as a construction engineer, (20 years) and I have owned various tractors over the years. I am not new to heavy equipment.
I bought the JD 110 TLB that is at issue in these posts used. I bought it approximately 2 months ago (Dec 28, 2010) from a private sale. I was looking specifically for the 110. When I became aware of this one, I looked at, operated it, worked all the hydraulics, etc. Noticed minor problems, hose leaks, cylinder seepage, minor issues, nothing that jumped out.
After a few hours of light use around the house, mostly moving snow I noticed that a few of the bolts that run along the frame below the engine and support the front end loader and the front axle were loose. When I tried to tighten them I noticed that they were stripped and would not stay tight. A few on the other side were missing. I tightened all the others and was planning on purchasing new ones to replace the stripped ones. Before I could get the new bolts (I had planned on getting them on Saturday, the hydraulics quit on Friday) See my prior posts on the hydraulics quitting.
I had the local John Deere dealer pick the tractor up. The initial assessment was that something had failed in the pump. When the mechanics were troubleshooting they found that the coupling from the engine to the pump was busted. In looking further they found that the engine was out of alignment. Yesterday they called me to give me an update and said that the cause was that the bolts I had found loose along with many other were missing/broke/stripped/wrong size. There initial assessment was that I was looking at a $7000.00 repair. By the way, I spent $18,000 for the tractor.
I went to the shop this morning on my way into work. What I learned this morning was, after they called me yesterday the mechanics did some additional checking and found that some of the bellhousing and loader attachment points were broken. We are now somewhere in the $10,000 repair range. The mechanic explained to me that the issue has been going on for some time, that someone had attempted to fix the problem by drilling things adding over sized bolts, and other poor fixes. Holes are now elongated, threads gone, parts bent, components broken. If the problem had been properly fixed initially, this would not have happened.
After much hemming and hawing on my part, I gave them the go ahead to fix it. What other course of action was there? Unusable, no trade-in value, unsellable (too ethical for me to patch it up for sale so that someone is stuck like I am).
As much as I cringed at the $10,000 price tag, I was okay (life lessons can be expensive) About 30 minutes ago the dealer called. The transmission case needs to be replaced because of the misalignment damage. I am now looking at a $16,000 repair. I told the dealer to load it up and bring it home. Date and time of funeral to be provided (I have to laugh at this point)
Lessons learned:
Buyer beware. (knew that already, but dang it hurts to be reminded)
Fix it right the first time (I knew that too, but point driven home)
If you own a JD 110 TLB, make sure that the mount bolts are tight (If you are unsure of the bolts I am talking about, let me know and I will send you pictures)
I guess the upside to all of this, Is I still have all my fingers and toes. My wife hasn't left me (wait, I haven't told her yet...) and my dog will be waiting for me when I get home...my luck my German Shepard ran away to be with a a poodle. I will keep looking for an upside.
At this point I think the best I can do is parts out the tractor and try to recoup some of my losses.
Please do not take this posting as a slam against John Deere products. I just thought it might help someone else if they are starting to see loose bolts or are considering purchasing a used JD 110 tlb to make sure to check the bolts they can see and touch.
Work Safe, Play Hard, and Enjoy Everyday to the fullest
kennyd
Advertiser
WOW, what a sad story!
I would be nice if you can post the pictures here in this thread, there are a lot of 110TLB owners here, as well a good freind of mine owning one that I get to use when needed.
I understand this was a private sale, but I think I'd be knocking on his door to have a talk
I would be nice if you can post the pictures here in this thread, there are a lot of 110TLB owners here, as well a good freind of mine owning one that I get to use when needed.
I understand this was a private sale, but I think I'd be knocking on his door to have a talk
Zebrafive
Super Member
Sorry for your loss.
Was this a rental machine or multiple owner machine?
I can see where you are in no way slamming Deere, just the poor, most likely cobbled non dealer fixes.
I too await pictures of the cause of the failures.
One resently sold at auction for just short of $17K. It still had rental company stickers on it, so I looked no further and did not bid.
Was this a rental machine or multiple owner machine?
I can see where you are in no way slamming Deere, just the poor, most likely cobbled non dealer fixes.
I too await pictures of the cause of the failures.
One resently sold at auction for just short of $17K. It still had rental company stickers on it, so I looked no further and did not bid.
CurlyDave
Elite Member
I, too, would like to see the pictures.
Stonehaller
Platinum Member
Sounds like seller lied to you . Very difficult to do anything about in a private sale unless the seller has a conscience. I would sure contact the seller.
Although you may recoup some of your cost through parting out the tractor, that can take a while and you are stuck without a working tractor.
I was looking hard for a used JD110 a while back. The tractor was popular with small contractors and there were quite a few used ones available when the economy tanked. I looked at a lot of them within a 600 mile radius, but everyone in my price range I could tell had seen hard use without proper care and maintenance. It saddened me to see such abuse to a costly investment. I ended up finding a Kubota L39 in good shape that I have been happy with.
. Very difficult to do anything about in a private sale unless the seller has a conscience. I would sure contact the seller.Although you may recoup some of your cost through parting out the tractor, that can take a while and you are stuck without a working tractor.
I was looking hard for a used JD110 a while back. The tractor was popular with small contractors and there were quite a few used ones available when the economy tanked. I looked at a lot of them within a 600 mile radius, but everyone in my price range I could tell had seen hard use without proper care and maintenance. It saddened me to see such abuse to a costly investment. I ended up finding a Kubota L39 in good shape that I have been happy with.
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I would not give up on the machine.
Take an inventory of what is up, what is mission critical, and post, I bet there are more than one on this forum who can propose fixes to keep you running.
Might be a matter of some welds, some tapping, etc.
I would not give up yet.
Maybe some elbow grease can buy you some operator time.
Joel
Take an inventory of what is up, what is mission critical, and post, I bet there are more than one on this forum who can propose fixes to keep you running.
Might be a matter of some welds, some tapping, etc.
I would not give up yet.
Maybe some elbow grease can buy you some operator time.
Joel
Update:
My JD 110 TLB is back up and running. After the dealer quoted a repair cost of $16,000 I thought for sure that I would have to scrap it. After getting it home, and spending about two weeks thinking about, I decided I couldn't make it any worse and decided to try to fix it myself.
Ironically, one of the reasons I bought the thing was to prep an area for a garage, so as you will see in the pictures I did all the work outside in my yard. By the way, not a lot of fun in Vermont in the winter.
The basics of the problem was that the prior owner(s) not only did not take good care of this machine, they took steps to hide damage. For example, they cut the heads off bolts and epoxied them to holes to make it look like they were properly installed. Every hole in the the oil pan extension was stripped. Because the front of the tractor bolts to the oil pan extension, it was out of alignment which caused the pump coupling to break which resulted in the hydraulics quitting. Where the loader arms attach on the left side the holes in the bell housing were stripped out and the holes in the transmission were broken (cast). On the right side two of the holes were stripped and one hole had a broken bolt still in it.
For the repair, I split the tractor and pulled the engine. Changed the oil pan extension, at $475.00 the most expensive part. I did not consider fixing the stripped holes in the extension given the total number of holes and the critical nature of how everything is tied into it.
I used M16x2.0 24mm timeserts to repair the holes in the bell housing. I used 38mm long timeserts in the transmission case so that I would have deeper bite into the transmission case. I made sure that I was not going so deep as to be into the inner part of the transmission. I then purchased over length bolts. Getting the broken bolt out on the right side was a PITA, but after about 2 hours I was good to go.
While doing the work I found a lot of loose bolts and missing hardware. I replaced any bolts that had any signs of wear, stretching, or damaged in any way.
Reassembled and it fired right up. My wife stood there looking puzzled. She didn't understand why it sounded different. I told her it was because it wasn't rattling anymore.
Total cost of repairs: just under $1100.00 with about 45 hours of time. I will be posting pics in just a few minutes.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/photos/member.php?uid=105416&protype=1
My JD 110 TLB is back up and running. After the dealer quoted a repair cost of $16,000 I thought for sure that I would have to scrap it. After getting it home, and spending about two weeks thinking about, I decided I couldn't make it any worse and decided to try to fix it myself.
Ironically, one of the reasons I bought the thing was to prep an area for a garage, so as you will see in the pictures I did all the work outside in my yard. By the way, not a lot of fun in Vermont in the winter.
The basics of the problem was that the prior owner(s) not only did not take good care of this machine, they took steps to hide damage. For example, they cut the heads off bolts and epoxied them to holes to make it look like they were properly installed. Every hole in the the oil pan extension was stripped. Because the front of the tractor bolts to the oil pan extension, it was out of alignment which caused the pump coupling to break which resulted in the hydraulics quitting. Where the loader arms attach on the left side the holes in the bell housing were stripped out and the holes in the transmission were broken (cast). On the right side two of the holes were stripped and one hole had a broken bolt still in it.
For the repair, I split the tractor and pulled the engine. Changed the oil pan extension, at $475.00 the most expensive part. I did not consider fixing the stripped holes in the extension given the total number of holes and the critical nature of how everything is tied into it.
I used M16x2.0 24mm timeserts to repair the holes in the bell housing. I used 38mm long timeserts in the transmission case so that I would have deeper bite into the transmission case. I made sure that I was not going so deep as to be into the inner part of the transmission. I then purchased over length bolts. Getting the broken bolt out on the right side was a PITA, but after about 2 hours I was good to go.
While doing the work I found a lot of loose bolts and missing hardware. I replaced any bolts that had any signs of wear, stretching, or damaged in any way.
Reassembled and it fired right up. My wife stood there looking puzzled. She didn't understand why it sounded different. I told her it was because it wasn't rattling anymore.
Total cost of repairs: just under $1100.00 with about 45 hours of time. I will be posting pics in just a few minutes.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/photos/member.php?uid=105416&protype=1
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kennyd
Advertiser
WOW, thanks for the update! Nice job:thumbsup:
GreatWhitehunter
Veteran Member
With the obvious intent to hide the damage, I'd be at the sellers house and then my lawyers. I can understand as is but this is a whole new dimension of low. Your pics give new meaning to buyer beware. I could live with not properly repairing the unit but epoxying the bolts is just deceptive and evil.
Matt
Matt
wdchyd
Elite Member
Good going DIGnVT,
Sometimes you gotta take the bull by the horns full steam......unfortunately you were on the wrong side of the money making......Sad but a reality that catches up to us unsuspectingly......
Glad you are able and willing to tackle your problems (passed on to you by others).....
A good saying I like is......"You can eat an elephant, but only one bite at a time"
I have a friend that bought an old MF tractor and he's had nothing but problems (Not MF's fault also).....unfortunately he's spent more time under the seat than on the seat.........
Sometimes you gotta take the bull by the horns full steam......unfortunately you were on the wrong side of the money making......Sad but a reality that catches up to us unsuspectingly......
Glad you are able and willing to tackle your problems (passed on to you by others).....
A good saying I like is......"You can eat an elephant, but only one bite at a time"
I have a friend that bought an old MF tractor and he's had nothing but problems (Not MF's fault also).....unfortunately he's spent more time under the seat than on the seat.........
Greg9504
Member
Nice job on the repair!
If I were you I would put all those epoxied bolts in a bag, head over to the guy who sold it to you and hand them to him. Telling him he fooled no one, and karma has a way of working things out... but suing him also works
If I were you I would put all those epoxied bolts in a bag, head over to the guy who sold it to you and hand them to him. Telling him he fooled no one, and karma has a way of working things out... but suing him also works
