Property Pin and Fences

[UpToNoGood]

I want to install a metal pipe fence around my 40 acres. The pipe will only be used for the corners and T-post and barbed wire in between.

So how do I dig a hole and set my pipe if there is a survey pin in the corner? I know the pin must be left alone. I am guessing I will have to set the pipe on my side of the pin. None of my current neighbors have any fence up.

 

[ultrarunner]

Don't know if it is correct... my Grandfather ran his fences down the line stopping 3' short of the corners to make a 45 and avoid the pin... also made the corners stronger.

His neighbors ran there fences 5 feet back for access and someone would always mistake the fences as the property line..

My Grandfather didn't want that to happen.

 

[Jstpssng]

I want to install a metal pipe fence around my 40 acres. The pipe will only be used for the corners and T-post and barbed wire in between.

So how do I dig a hole and set my pipe if there is a survey pin in the corner? I know the pin must be left alone. I am guessing I will have to set the pipe on my side of the pin. None of my current neighbors have any fence up.

How big is your pie?
I wouldn't dig a hole as you will disturb the soil and the pipe would be more apt to lean.
open the hole as much as you a with a 5 foot pry bar.finish setting the post with a sledghammer.

I don't remember the term, but you can get or make a short piece of pipe to slide over the top of than your post, with a plate of 1/2 inch steel welded on top . This will keep the post from swagging. Maybe put a couple of supports at 45' to the ground in the directions of the fence.

 

[bp fick]

We have some surveyors here. Dodgeman for one.
Might shoot him a private message and ask for his guidance. Couldn't hurt.

 

[heehaw]

put the fence as close to the line as you can...
heehaw

 

[CurlyDave]

Don't know if it is correct... my Grandfather ran his fences down the line stopping 3' short of the corners to make a 45 and avoid the pin... also made the corners stronger.

His neighbors ran there fences 5 feet back for access and someone would always mistake the fences as the property line..

My Grandfather didn't want that to happen.

I really like that method.

All too often a fence inside a property line is mistaken as the line and if this situation is left fallow for too long, your property line has shifted.

 

[rtimgray]

Do you know for certain that the pin is actually the corner of the property? I believe in most cases that it is, but in some cases they may not be. On our property, the fence has been there forever (not really, but longer than anyone alive can remember). The pins that are in the "corners" of our property are not the actual corners of the property. The corner is only a few feet from them, but since the posts were already there, we couldn't set the pins in the corner (so it's kind of the opposite of your problem).

If it were mine, I would either set the corner posts inboard of the pin by a foot or use the "stop short and 45" method that somebody mentioned earlier. That's a pretty good idea.

Good luck and take care.

 

[Army grunt]

put THE CORNER ON A 45 THAT WILL GIVE YOU A STRONG CORNER AN AS SAID ABOVE.
Army Grunt

 

[UpToNoGood]

Yes the Pins are the property line for sure. It was originally a square mile that was divided up in to 24 pieces and mine is 40 acres. One surveyor did the whole place a few years back when it was divided and nothing has changed.

My piece is a triangle with a county road on one side. State property on another side, and my uncle and some other person on the third side.

I am only wanting to fence the road side and the other side between the other guy that is a less than a good neighbor.

The piece where the 3 of our land meets will be easy I can just straddle the pin with the pipe. The other two corners along the road is where I will have to move it a bit. I figure I can plant a 45 corner with the corner on the county road side just inside the pin to my side. And the other two ends of the 45 will land on the line and be on the line from there on out.

 

[rjkobbeman]

Do you know for certain that the pin is actually the corner of the property? I believe in most cases that it is, but in some cases they may not be. On our property, the fence has been there forever (not really, but longer than anyone alive can remember). The pins that are in the "corners" of our property are not the actual corners of the property. The corner is only a few feet from them, but since the posts were already there, we couldn't set the pins in the corner (so it's kind of the opposite of your problem).

If it were mine, I would either set the corner posts inboard of the pin by a foot or use the "stop short and 45" method that somebody mentioned earlier. That's a pretty good idea.

Good luck and take care.

Good advice. On our property, due to terrain and other issues, some of our pins are offsets and not the actual property line. The pins are merely reference points. The actual property line is x number of feet/inches away fron the pin. We have a creek that runs between two properties. In that case the pin is inside my property, however the property line is x number of feet away from the pin... down the center of the creek. (Of course the creek over time can change, however the line will not. We just "say" down the center of the creek for ease of discussion.)

 

[UpToNoGood]

We have no water, rocks, trees or crazy cliffs that would prevent the pins to be placed off the line, but good point.

 

[jayste]

I like the 45 deg idea better than setting the fence line in. Had I had it to do again I'd 45' it. BTW, I see that this is probably in Datil, NM. What do you do with your land there? I've never been there but kind of keep up with some folks down NM 12 around Reserve. They ranch down in and around the Gila wilderness.

Also, welcome to TBN!

 

[UpToNoGood]

For now I just hunt there, but am working on getting the land ready for a vacation/retirement home.

 

[ToadHill]

Before you set any fence check with the county or town, they may have a requirement that fencing be set a certain # of feet from the actual line. When you have a Road they may want fencing a given distance from the shoulder.

My deed shows that I own to the center of the road but the County right of way extends 10 feet beyond the road shoulder.

 

[dodge man]

Yes I am a land surveyor, and to answer your question, from a surveyors point of view, it doesn't really matter. Just don't move the pipe and make sure it can be found in the future. We use metal detectors to find the pins, so if there is a big metal fence post, it makes it hard to find. If you want a steel fence post near the corner, that is O.K., just make sure the pin is sticking up a few inches. It is impossible for a fence to be exactly on the line, so a few inches one way or the other doesn't matter.

Someone commented on there line being along a creek. Depending on how the deed reads, the line would often move as the creek moves. If the deed says "along the creek" or similar wording, the boundary follows the creek as it moves.

 

[Reg]

The 2 stage corner (45 degrees) is also good if you ever decide to put horses in there - NOT behind barbed wire, change that first.

 

[NIdaho]

Another thing that I have found to be very helpful is to dig about a 1 foot in diameter circle around the survey pin, going down about 8 inches. Mix up some concrete (add extra cement to the bagged mixes to increase the breaking strength) and fill the hole around the pin. I then slope the concrete down away from the pin/cap so that water tends to run away from the pin and not pool around it. After the concrete is cured I spray paint it either red or orange so it is easy to see.

 

[aczlan]

Another thing that I have found to be very helpful is to dig about a 1 foot in diameter circle around the survey pin, going down about 8 inches. Mix up some concrete (add extra cement to the bagged mixes to increase the breaking strength) and fill the hole around the pin. I then slope the concrete down away from the pin/cap so that water tends to run away from the pin and not pool around it. After the concrete is cured I spray paint it either red or orange so it is easy to see.

I would not do that. Too much risk of messing up the pin. If you can do that when the surveyor sets the pin and have them shoot that and mark it as the corner, fine. but not after the fact.

I might put in a concrete marker near the corner and have it as a witness post, but I would NOT dig around a pin.

Aaron Z

 

[beppington]

The piece where the 3 of our land meets will be easy I can just straddle the pin with the pipe.

I believe that if your fence is on your neighbor's property, it's actually their fence. And, if part of your fence is on your neighbor's property, there can certainly be serious, costly arguments about that (if they decide to take it down, can you stop them?). Therefore, I don't think I'd ever purposely straddle a property line with a fence, even if your relative is on the other side; Someday he might want to sell, & then your fence (at least part of it) is on some non-relative's property. So, I'd put it on your side of the line, & not quite touching the line.

 

[beppington]

Someone commented on there line being along a creek. Depending on how the deed reads, the line would often move as the creek moves. If the deed says "along the creek" or similar wording, the boundary follows the creek as it moves.

Isn't this kinda the case between the US & May-hee-co? The Rio Grande is it?