At Home In The Woods

/ At Home In The Woods
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We've been having trouble getting bids from concrete contractors to pour our front and basement porch slabs. We have one bid from the guy who poured our basement and garage slabs. We like him; however he doesn't do stamped concrete, something we might like to have on the front porch. Sunday a concrete sub no-showed on an appointment to look at our house. We have had other subs come out to look but not send us bids. I'm amazed at how these guys stay in business. Maybe our job is just too small to interest anyone. We may just go with the original concrete guy and not stamp the front porch.

Last week my wife went to see the tile work of a potential tile sub. The homeowner showed my wife the work. The homeowner did not like the work that was done and showed my wife several obvious workmanship issues. We still need a tile guy.

We have a painter, trim carpenter, hardwood floor installer. We still need concrete, tile, and garage door subs.
 
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If we wanted to add a dead bolt to a door later, can we get a deadbolt lock that matches the key for the other locks? Should one key open all the doors or should we have some doors that use a different key?

I have always gone with the one key approach.

All of the hardware store locks can be keyed alike, and some stores will key all your locks alike at the time of purchase at no charge and re-key any you might buy in the future. It is quite easy to do. You can buy a kit to re-key locks on your own, but it is time-comsuming if you don't do it every day.

Something to think about is getting some padlocks that are all keyed alike. Some door lock companies sell padlocks that can be keyed the same as your doors, but they are expensive. Key your eye out when you are in any of the big box stores. I got 15 padlocks, all with the same key for about $100 a couple of years ago and it is a lifetime supply.

Sooner or later, you are going to have sheds, outdoor storage boxes, and a host of other stuff that should be padlocked. All using the same key is a great convenience.
 
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Garage Door Openers: Sounds like chain or belt will work, I've had both, no problems. If you can't find a good garage door opener sub, I installed two garage doors openers at my old house in a weekend, so it's a doable home owner project that is quite deferrable to a less stressful time. I suspect if you ask about an install of the doors them selves with and without an opener, you might get a better price on the opener.

Door locks/hardware: We got all the door handle hardware in for our house. About a month later the entire style was discontinued, we scrounged and got 2 spares. So order what you need and get 3-4 spares. We've had one handle that is on a pull out style door break, we're now at a no spare point. This was a handle on a door you pull with a latch at the top (double doors into a pantry closet), but these are the levers that are part of Universal Design and visitors think all door handles are push down to open, like a single door in a casing.

We keyed everything to one key. Ordered all the hardware at once at a box store, it was a small charge to have the keying done. We also put a keyed door handle on the 1st floor to basement door. That way, if we every wanted to change a single lock on the outside basement door, we could allow access to the basement but not the entire house. The garage door to inside the house is also keyed for the same reason.

We have deadbolts on all exterior doors. The garage to kitchen is not deadbolted. Some doors have half light glass in them, they are a keyed dead bolt. Others are 1/4 light at the top, they have a hand turn (no key) in them. In particular, a door by the master bedroom to the outside (which is basically a fire escape door and not used for anything else) has the no key dead bolt on it. If a half or full light glass door with a keyed deadbolt is a door you would use to get out in an emergency, have a nearby place to hang a key. At our old house, we had a small curtain over the half light and left the key in the deadbolt at night. Odds are greater that we'd need to get out in a fire than we'd have a random home invasion. If this is not the case where you are, you've built your house in the wrong place :laughing:.

Security system wise, you'll want a sensor on each outside door. I looked into using hall effect sensors to figure out if the deadbolt was thrown, it was doable but a nightmare given access issues to the trim around the door. Also looked at plunger switches, it was a lot of fabrication that I had no time for when I was in the fog of construction. So what you get with the security system is it will complain if you got to night or away mode and a door is open. It will yell if a door opens and it's night mode (you're sleeping). You'll need to check doors and deadbolts manually to be sure they are locked. I have my system programed to ask "Why is the <xxx> door still open" if I leave a door open for more than 10 minutes. Big win.

I wish there was an easy way to integrate affordable door locks into all the outside doors of a house, and maybee something has come along in the last 3 years. For now, I have the nightly door and house check to make sure everything is locked, all lights off, all cat doors shut and all critters (2 or 4 legged) accounted for. The locks are just part of that routine. There are days when the house of the future seems like it will always be in the future.

Enjoying your progress, keep going.

Pete
 
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Locks are for keeping honest people honest. Your best all-round security will be a pair of pound puppies. Being that youæ±*e fairly isolated a window breaking will go unnoticed and response time from an alarm will be a little bit. Having a couple of "manç—´ best friends" around will help deter unwanted activity around the homestead.

Dave
 
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Dogs are not a gaurantee either. The thief just led ours to the basement and closed the door and proceeded to ransack the house. Dogs (most pets) like people.
 
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IMO, you get what you pay for in doorlocks. I think that all locks lock the same, are pickable the same, and frankly broken windows are easier and less brain power than a lock. But longevity in a lock is pretty important.

We have cheap home depot locks on one house, and expensive locks on the other. Both do the same but the cheap locks seem to have a high failure rate and general wonkiness. I am sure someone can speak to what is higher quality from manufacturers.

I have all our locks single keyed, and use only Deadbolts on the exterior doors (no lock on handle and deadbolt). One lock is enough. Easy to pick one lock as it is two.

As for automated locks. Love the look, nothing like typing in buttons (if the lock has lighting on it which wears the batteries out). But, but. I like the idea of a key... just me, old fasioned.

As for home automation, too expensive and risky for door locks IMO. Alarm monitoring you should already be wired for.

Carl
 
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The locks I ordered from Lowes were a 6 pin lock. Might slow down someone, I know it takes me a lot longer to pick a 6 vs. a 5. Alarms notify and yes there is the response time issue. But if they also make some noise, the bad guys know an alarm has happened and probably won't risk hanging around taking stuff while they hope the deputy is far away from the home. You can run the "what if" permutations all day long.

Well, you can't out think an idiot so all you can do is have notification happen, and have good home owners insurance as the last line of defense in your security system.

Pete
 
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We've had good durability with Schlage locks which come with a lifetime guarantee.
 
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I like schlage locks, don't know if they are better. I keyed my locks the same, but didn't buy spares, which is a good idea.
Has anyone tried the schlage electronic lock? They even have one that ties to a security system, but requires a monthly fee.
 
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Security system wise, you'll want a sensor on each outside door. I looked into using hall effect sensors to figure out if the deadbolt was thrown, it was doable but a nightmare given access issues to the trim around the door.

Pete

I had been wondering something along these lines myself. Even just a simple bullet door frame magnetic switch might do the trick with a magnet embedded in the end of the deadbolt. Pretty much just like a door switch, but on the deadbolt specifically. Maybe the deadbolt shaft could be magnetized even. ??
 
/ At Home In The Woods
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I had been wondering something along these lines myself. Even just a simple bullet door frame magnetic switch might do the trick with a magnet embedded in the end of the deadbolt. Pretty much just like a door switch, but on the deadbolt specifically. Maybe the deadbolt shaft could be magnetized even. ??
Dave and Pete,
I did an internet search on this topic. One person installed plunger type door sensors in the door frame hole that receives the deadbolt. That way the home automation system could let you know whether or not all the doors are locked.

I wish I had thought about this before the drywall was installed; it is still doable, just harder now. I suspect that this feature will be high on my wishlist for the home automation system. Having the home automation system check to see if all the doors are locked when the security system is armed will be a very nice feature.

Obed
 
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Your security system should notify you of faults; doors or windows that are not closed prior to letting you arm it. Once the door or window that shows as a fault is shut the system can then be armed. Even if a door was closed and unlocked once the security system is armed if someone opens that door, or breaks in one that is locked, the system will be triggered.
One can go beyond overboard with security systems and home automation systems. Once in use most alarms aren't even turned on unless one goes away for the day or longer.
 
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My wife will be ordering door knob and lock hardware for the house tomorrow. We are planning to put deadbolts with keyholes on both sides on every exterior grade door that has a window beside the deadbolt. The exterior grade doors that do not have windows beside them will only have a keyhole on one side of the deadbolt. We are installing an exterior grade door at the top of the basement stairwell; this door will have a deadbolt. We aren't installing a deadbolt in the exterior grade door between the kitchen and the garage at this time. We might add that later if we decide there's a real need.

We will be ordering one extra exterior door knob, one extra interior locking door knob, and one extra non-locking interior door knob.

We plan to shop for a keyless deadbolt for the door to the back porch after we move into the house. For now, we will install a regular deadbolt in this door. When we replace the deadbolt with keyless deadbolt, we will keep that deadbolt for a spare.
 
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Obed, I think you're right that it's something to tackle down the road. I suspect that even if you had though of this, finding "a spare day" to play with fabricating all this up, and then more time to do all the doors would have been difficult. More "fog of construction" moments...

I plan to see if I really miss it or not, then I'll make the call. I suspect most people would not go for the expense. On a related topic, I do have wires by the bottoms of my garage door and have the "roller on a lever" switches that I need to fit onto those doors so I can tell if the are up or down. Of course, that's similar to having sensors on all the outside door so you know if they are open or not. I just have to find the time to fabricate the brackets for that.

Coyote machine, you're right about getting notified if you try to arm with a door open. And I think you're correct with your concern about going overboard with automation systems. However, there is a group of people in automation land similar to the "No such thing as too much horse power" crowd here, for whom a great deal of the fun _is_ going overboard :laughing:. I'm in that crowd :eek:.

Pete
 
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Yeah Pete,
I'm thinking you're leading the pack of those for whom wiring everything that moves or might move is actually FUN!:thumbsup:
 
/ At Home In The Woods
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Yeah Pete,
I'm thinking you're leading the pack of those for whom wiring everything that moves or might move is actually FUN!:thumbsup:
I'm probably not as far out there as Pete. I don't know if I'll ever install motion sensing night lights for the cats. But yes, I can see wiring up some of these gadgets as fun when the construction "fog" is gone.

Obed
 
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Like you, Obed, I have seven entry doors not including the two interior doors leading from the garage into the basement and one at the top of the cellar stairs. Since recent break ins in our area the command order is all doors are locked ALL the time- NO exceptions. My 16 year old daughter took some time to adjust- but I don't want her in the house with the doors unlocked if someone is going to try and enter unwanted. I want her or my wife to have time to exit the house or some other 'plan time' for which might be bought by the doors being locked instead of unlocked.
I want to go through the doors in the house personally to check and know that I did it personally- that way only I am responsible for my families safety- and when I eventually go to bed I can sleep for a few hours. But that's just me being obsessive?!:laughing:
 
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My wife will be ordering door knob and lock hardware for the house tomorrow. We are planning to put deadbolts with keyholes on both sides on every exterior grade door that has a window beside the deadbolt. The exterior grade doors that do not have windows beside them will only have a keyhole on one side of the deadbolt.

You may not be able to install double keyed deadbolts by code in your area. I'm not sure how closely your inspectors check these things, but if they are picky, you should ask first to avoid another potential problem during an inspection. They are often not allowed due to escape during fires being the problem. They may not care if you have a window there or not. Just FYI...
 

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