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[fluffhead31]

Tractor (bare) = 2628lbs
Loaded Tires: 600lbs x2 = 1200lbs
16LA FEL = 1100lbs

Total Tractor Weight= 4928 lbs

Trailer Weight=1700

Total Towing Weight:6628

The vehicle i am using (2010 gmc canyon v8) has 6000lb max towing capacity. Do you think i can handle it?

 

[kennyd]

To close to the edge for me. Other factors like tralier length and tongue weight need to be considered as well.

 

[om21braz]

To close to the edge for me. Other factors like tralier length and tongue weight need to be considered as well.

I hate to be a "killjoy", but I agree.

 

[Brad_Blazer]

Might be okay for an occasional short trip. If you don't need the loader you can easily lighten the load.

 

[LD1]

What tractor do you have???

A 2600lb tractor is not very big and 600lbs ballast in each tire requires some pretty big tires. I may be wrong but it doesn't add up to me. My L3400 weighs 2600lbs as well and ~250lbs of liquid is about all that will fit in the R1's that come on it. I know R4's can hold a little more, but 600lbs is a LOT more.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Tractor (bare) = 2628lbs
Loaded Tires: 600lbs x2 = 1200lbs
16LA FEL = 1100lbs

Total Tractor Weight= 4928 lbs

Trailer Weight=1700

Total Towing Weight:6628

The vehicle i am using (2010 gmc canyon v8) has 6000lb max towing capacity. Do you think i can handle it?

What in the world is a Canyon? I do not stay up on GM stuff but only 6,000# tow rating on a V8??? Seems awful low. I guess if its a little truck with a big engine.

As for the loaded tires I think you are high. My tractor has 10x24 ags and loading both only added 400# or so.

Chris

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I too think that your tire weight sounds high. As far as towing, it really would not be safe at highway speeds. As mentioned, if only going short distances that do not exceed say 45mph, I would do it. Instead of guessing on the weight of the total combo, go and get it weighed and know for sure.

Just my opinion.

 

[smstonypoint]

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The vehicle i am using (2010 gmc canyon v8) has 6000lb max towing capacity. Do you think i can handle it?

Although I would be worried about towing capacity, I would be more worried about stopping capacity.

Steve

 

[tractorboy5500]

This might help.


Liquid Tire Ballast

The following table represents the weight achieved by filling the tire 75% full (valve level) with water.
Use of chemical agents to prevent freezing will affect the weight.

Farm Tractor Tires (Turf tires can be found below this chart)

TIRE SIZE, GALLONS OF WATER, ADDED WEIGHT (lbs.) PER TIRE

tire size gls weight
4.00-12 2 17
4.00-15 2.5 21
4.00-19 3 25
5.00-15 3.5 29
5.50-16 5 42
6.00-12 4.5 37
6.00-14 5 41
6.00-16 6 50
6.50-16 7 58
7.50-10 6 50
7.5L-15 8 66
7.50-16 9 75
7.50-18 10 83
7.50-20 11 92
9.00-10 9 75
9.5L-15 11 92
9.50-20 18 150
9.50-24 20 167
10.00-16 17 142
11.00-12 18 150
11L-15 13 108
11.00-16 23 192
11L-16 15 123
14L-16.1 27 225
16.5L-16.1 42 346
7.2-24 9 75
7.50-16 9 75
8.3-24 13 108
9.5-16 12 100
9.5-24 17 142
9.5-36 25 209
9.5-42 29 242
10-16.5 12 97
11.2-24 24 200
11.2-28 27 225
11.2-34 33 275
11.2-36 35 292
11.2-38 36 300
12.4-16 21 175
12.4-24 30 250
12.4-28 35 292
12.4-36 44 367
12.4-38 46 384
12.4-42 51 425
13.6-24 38 317
13.6-26 40 334
13.6-28 43 359
13.6-38 57 475
14.9-24 47 392
14.9-26 48 400
14.9-28 53 442
14.9-30 57 475
14.9-36 64 534
14.9-38 67 559
15.5-38 66 550
16.9-24 61 509
16.9-26 65 542
16.9-28 69 575
16.9-30 73 609
16.9-34 82 684
16.9-38 90 751
17.5L-24 55 459
18.4-16.1 49 409
18.4-24 75 626
18.4-26 79 659
18.4-28 84 701
18.4-30 89 742
18.4-34 100 834
18.4-38 110 917
19.5L-24 73 609
20.8-34 128 1068
20.8-38 140 1168

Turf Tires

23x8.50-12 6 50
23x10.50-12 7 58
26x12.00-12 10 83
25x8.50-14 7 58
25x7.50-15 6 50
25x10.50-15 7 58
25x12.50-15 8 67
27x8.50-15 7 58
27x9.50-15 9 75
27x10.50-15 10 83
29x12.50-15 14 116
31x12.50-15 18 149
31x13.50-15 19 158
31x15.50-15 20 166
33x12.50-15 22 183
44x18.00-20 56 476

 

[LD1]

It would be nice to know what tractor we are dealing with here.

I am not up with the NH's but I think the smallest tractor they put the 16la on was the TC35. Wich would have the 17.5L-24 tires which hold 55gal.

If calcium was used @ ~11 lbs per gal, that would indeed be 600lbs a tire. BUT a TC35 doesnt weigh 2600, it is more like 3300lbs.

Just too many if's with out knowing the tractor and what was used for ballast.

 

[KeithInSpace]

What in the world is a Canyon?

Think "New S-10".

That would be a pretty hefty load behind my appropriately-equipped Expedition. I wouldn not consider towing nearly 7,000# behind a Canyon. In fact, I wouldn't hook up a load over 5,000#, personally.

There's more to towing than "the engine to pull it and the brakes to stop it". Even if you have those things working well, you STILL need to turn it, perform emergency maneuvers, drive in the rain, etc. There's just not enough width, wheelbase, length, or weight in that truck to appropriately handle a load that is 50% greater than the weight of the truck itself.

That's, of course, my opinion.

 

[mbrule]

I agree with everyone else, if your weight is correct, you are pushing your luck with that small truck. Do you have a weight distributing hitch? Is the trailer long enough to position the tractor for proper balance? Does the trailer have brakes? These and all of the other things mentioned need to be considered as well.

Just my .02..........

 

[schmism]

Think "New S-10".

Supposedly todays "compact" truck but... "small" is relative these days.

Its like saying the new tacoma's are like the toyota 2x trucks of the late 80's. Ie the canyon is about the same size as a 4x2 F150 from the 80's.

 

[Baucom]

It's still a lightweight for the load it may be asked to pull. Assuming the OP is hauling a TC35 or larger. That's a solid full-size 1/2 ton load, IMO.

 

[Diamondpilot]

My other concern would be the hitch on the truck itself. I looked up the Canyon and while the V-8 is rated at 6,000# what his the hitch rated at? My guess is its a class III max on that truck and only rated at 5,000#

Case in point. My F-350 is rated at 18,300# but the rear hitch is only rated at 15,000#. You have to go GN/5th wheel to use the full towing capacity of the truck.

Chris

 

[schmism]

That's a solid full-size 1/2 ton load, IMO.

depends... you toss a 600lb brush hog on the back.... and you may well beinto the 3/4 ton range depending on the tractor....

this is also why i have a 10K equipment trailer for my "little" tractor.... it adds up quick!

 

[Diamondpilot]

depends... you toss a 600lb brush hog on the back.... and you may well beinto the 3/4 ton range depending on the tractor....

this is also why i have a 10K equipment trailer for my "little" tractor.... it adds up quick!

How do you figure? The lowest any 1/2 ton can tow with the good stuff like big engine, tranny cooler, ect is around 8,500# and many are around 10,000#. I tow 7,000# 150 miles each and every weekend from May to Nov with my 1/2 ton with no issues. No reason to go all LB on us.:laughing:

Chris

 

[newbury]

Tractor (bare) = 2628lbs
Loaded Tires: 600lbs x2 = 1200lbs
16LA FEL = 1100lbs

Total Tractor Weight= 4928 lbs

Trailer Weight=1700

Total Towing Weight:6628

The vehicle i am using (2010 gmc canyon v8) has 6000lb max towing capacity. Do you think i can handle it?

The only thing I saw you posted about was a TC35 and their weights were about 3,300 on the 2 sites I hit (The blasted NH site never loaded).
Add in another 150 for liquids.

And come winter you might want chains.

Your pushing it.

Also depends where you want to tow it as far as safety. If your dragging it down to Vergennes on 7 it may be OK, but if you take 108 over the Notch it could be real dangerous.

 

[schmism]

How do you figure? Chris

you may well be into the 3/4 ton range depending on the tractor....

lets play devils advocate for a sec (as the OP has not yet responded with any more info)

TC45DA comes with a 16LA

TC45 - 3700lbs (tractordata)
17.4x24 rear tires weighted -459 ea (table above) 920lbs
16LA 1100lbs
HD grapple on 16la 600lbs
8' brush hog 800lbs

tractor and implements 7120 lbs ill stick with his anemic 1700lb landscape trailer :confused2:

total towed weight 8800lbs (call it 9K with chains, tools etc)

See i live in the 1/2 ton truck doesnt exist camp.... In my world you either are towing 3K utility trailer, or a 10K equipment trailer... there just isnt much that fits in between. (unless something specific like your 3500lb race car etc)

which to me means either tow it with a toyota pickup (utility trailer) or tow it with a 3/4 ton truck. you either NEED the truck or you dont. in my world there just really isnt that much grey space were a 1/2 ton fits.

 

[Diamondpilot]

which to me means either tow it with a toyota pickup (utility trailer) or tow it with a 3/4 ton truck. you either NEED the truck or you dont. in my world there just really isnt that much grey space were a 1/2 ton fits.

You see it different than me. I have a 1/2 ton, a 3/4 ton diesel, and a 1 ton diesel. The 3/4 is by far the most worthless. I should have never bought it but the old lady loves to drive it.

Biggest issue with a 3/4 ton is the GVWR. Lets take mine for example. Its a 2004 extended cab short bed F-250 4x4 Power Stroke. 10,000# GVWR but the truck weighs 7,500#. Put 4 in it and now you are at 8,300#. It only leaves you 1,700#. Sure you are still over 3/4 ton but not by much and it does not leave you much room for pin weight/cargo.

Now take my co-workers 2006 GMC Dmax 2500. Its a crew cab short bed 4x4 and weighs about 7,100# empty. Its GVWR is 8,800#. So with nothing in it you only have 1,600# for payload. Sure thats over 3/4 ton but not by much. Put 4 in it and you now at a whopping 800# for pin weight/cargo. The thing is worthless. He put air bags on it, another joke in my eyes, so his 32' 5th wheel does not squat it to the bump stops. Either way he is over by a good 1,000# running down the road on the GVWR while still being under on the tow rating.

Chris