Comparison Kubota vs Bobcat/Kioti

[TripleR]

Yeah, well I bet my dad can whip your dad; gee whiz...

 

[art]

I'd like to see what the cycle time would be while performing two loader functions at once. I operated a few older Kubota's and one Deere and never could get either to lift and curl a load at the same time without almost coming to a dead stop. I do it regularly now without any difference in speed or power and even while driving into the pile with an HST. That's when the extra pump comes in handy but there's no spec for that.
Pumps too big, weight in the wrong place, smaller is better...
You have an excuse for everything Kubota falls behind in. :laughing:

You are not alone with your request and I hear it all the time. I couldn't do this with my old tractor, I couldn't do that with my old tractor. Many of the older valves were not designed to work two systems at once. For those companies that are still using them they are a lower price then the multi-function valves which there again have only become common in the last ten years.

Many people never really look at everything then they look as they have blinders on! A ten year old model should not keep up with a new one, Kubota's have had one of the best tractors for being able to steer with a hydro and still work with a load, I often use will demonstrating to sell after people complain of what you just stated.

As far as what Kubota is falling behind on, I only see little things where one manufacturer might start coming out with a new feature to them, like a cab, or TLB ten years after Kubota introduced it to the industry. After all you said that a loader and hydraulic system of kubota has to be better engineered to work with less hydraulic force and still move more load and faster!!!!!!!!!!! Care for a towel? Don't worry not all the brands that we deal with or have delt with have been equal and I don't think they ever will be and there is some good with all brands for someone.

Just think how many brands wouldn't be here at all if Kubota didn't come the US in the sixties to get this all started!

 

[missingstexas]

Wow! I was going to re-assure Carl that that B26 he has on order is one heck of a machine, but I'm afraid I'd get attacked for saying anything... some of you guys need to step away from the computer monitor for a few minutes before you hit the send button!

 

[DiezNutz]

Welcome to TBN.

Wow! I was going to re-assure Carl that that B26 he has on order is one heck of a machine

And yet, you just did! :thumbsup:

but I'm afraid I'd get attacked for saying anything... some of you guys need to step away from the computer monitor for a few minutes before you hit the send button!

Nah, you should be safe here in the Kubota forum ... as long as you don't say anything that could be construed as even remotely critical of Kiotis, intentionally or otherwise. Evidently it's threatening.

 

[Gittyup]

I don't think anyone else has anything quite like the B26/B39 type machines. And, I don't think anyone has anything quite like the CK's and CTs...at least not for similar cost. Both are excellent in their own right when evaluated in light of their intended uses. I just wish the Kubota dealers could acknowledge that the Kiotis/BCs are quality machines rather than spew implications that somehow they are not. And I would like to see the Kioti/BC owners behave a little less defensively (inspite of those that mislead). Belittling a brand with no real basis for it does not help one's credibility. And that cuts both ways.

 

[crazyal]

Hyundai has an ad on TV with a hidden cam. One couple says how foolish they are to have spent the money they did on a Mercedes. I guess if they can't tell the difference between the two then they clearly wasted their money on the Benz. However as nice as a Hyudai is it's not a Mercedes. No point, just thought it was funny. Go back to comparing apples to oranges.

 

[JasG]

I just ordered a new Kubota B26. Still shopping around as I wait patiently for my new tractor to be delivered, I looked a little closer at the Bobcat. To my surprise the Bobcat CT335, which is comparable in price to the B26, weighs in at 3600 lbs without the loader or backhoe. Add about 2000 lbs for the backhoe and loader and you've got a 5600 lb machine. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't more weight mean a more solid built tractor. I don't get it, I always thought of Kubota as one of the better built machines, thats what justifies the premium price tag. Now I am starting to think I may have made a mistake. Any advice?

Thanks
Carl B

No. More weight does not mean a better built machine. Deere has used high Hp to weight since the 1960's, there 4000 was very close to a IH 966 yet was about 2000 lbs less. In some cases yes it can mean more rugged, but it also might mean weaker materials used in construction. It could also be in the case of a B26 the loader and backhoe are built just for that machine. With others it could be a loader and backhoe built for several machines. I don't know how the B26 vs CT235 as far as frame size either, you may have several sized units all the same or very similar Hp.

Also weight is easy to add but hard to subtract from a machine. In somes cases a lighter foot print is better.

 

[JoelD]

AS others have posted, pre and post attacks the machines are different.

The Kioti is a tractor and the Kubota is a small industrial TLB.

As a prior Kubota owner and current Kioti owner I'd not hesitate on either.

If I were to be digging or running the machine in almost any capacity full time as a commercial unit I'd put my money down on a Kubota, Mine was bullet proof, with about every little detail well thought out and built to take tons of abuse.

I purchased my Kioti because I use as a homeowner machine and I was able to pay less for the same or greater capacities.

I really like the Kubota B26, L39 and L45, same goes for the Deere 110. But they are huge money for a homeowner like me to justify.

A tiny little example of why I say what I say is, I replaced my first cyl seal on my Kubota when the cyl was about 30 years old. Getting time to replace a seal on my kioti and it is 7 years old.

Joel

 

[DiezNutz]

Gittyup and JoelD, good thoughtful posts. :thumbsup: Everything has its place and purpose. I can't help but think how if we went back in time 20 years, maybe less, this same discussion would've been about Deere vs. Kubota, respectively.
There is still the occasional oldschool Deere diehard that hasn't warmed up to "them Jap tractors", can't imagine what they think of all these newcomers.

Competition - the proper kind - is good for all involved.