Another Example of Our "Disposable" Society

   / Another Example of Our "Disposable" Society #31  
Isn't this really just a story about manufacturing and shipping efficiencies?

Would you pay twice as much for your plasma TV so that getting it repaired cost less than buying a new one?
 
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#32  
Isn't this really just a story about manufacturing and shipping efficiencies?

Would you pay twice as much for your plasma TV so that getting it repaired cost less than buying a new one?

I don't know. In fact, I'm not sure I understand the question. Of course our TVs are LCD high definition, not plasma, and with my vision, I can't see that the high definition is any better than non-high definition, so I think they cost more than they're worth. The main reason we bought flat panel TVs was because we wanted a little larger screen and I wanted something that I could lift and move by myself if or when I wanted to. The 32" TV we had been using was given to us by one of my wife's brothers when he bought a big home entertainment or home theater system. I was barely able to pick it up and carry it by myself. So when we bought the flat panel TVs, we gave that one to one of our daughters and she and her husband are still using it. I'm not all sure our new ones have any better or any worse picture than the old TV.
 
   / Another Example of Our "Disposable" Society #33  
Depends on what you are looking for. I do energy testing on PC's. Depending on how you use a system, the lower power capabilities can really help. In a business, where there are many systems running, it can make a difference. At home, you probably will not notice so much(although the aggregate of thousands of systems using power on the grid would make a difference in overall usage).

The thing about Energy Star that I find kind of interesting, is nothing really turns off these days. For instance, if you turn your TV off, it only goes in to a standby/sleep state. It is still consuming power. For your remote to work, some minimal circuitry must be powered to detect the remote. Even the switch on the TV has to be sensed; it is not like the old days when the switch actually cut all power to the appliance.

That means, the dryer, washing machine, vcr, tv, microwave, dishwasher, ect ect ect all draw power, even when they are turned "off".

In most cases I would not replace something just for the power savings. But anything new these days, I would look for the lowest power ratings.

How about the new energy star appliances? Doesn't make sense to me to buy new and save a little in electricity, only to have to replace entire appliance after it's planned life cycle(or less) because repair parts are so darn expensive. Older appliances may use a little more juice, but they can be repaired. I think once people start to look at price over say 20yrs(durable goods) they would see this.
 
   / Another Example of Our "Disposable" Society #34  
Depends on what you are looking for. I do energy testing on PC's. Depending on how you use a system, the lower power capabilities can really help. In a business, where there are many systems running, it can make a difference. At home, you probably will not notice so much(although the aggregate of thousands of systems using power on the grid would make a difference in overall usage).

The thing about Energy Star that I find kind of interesting, is nothing really turns off these days. For instance, if you turn your TV off, it only goes in to a standby/sleep state. It is still consuming power. For your remote to work, some minimal circuitry must be powered to detect the remote. Even the switch on the TV has to be sensed; it is not like the old days when the switch actually cut all power to the appliance.

That means, the dryer, washing machine, vcr, tv, microwave, dishwasher, ect ect ect all draw power, even when they are turned "off".

In most cases I would not replace something just for the power savings. But anything new these days, I would look for the lowest power ratings.

Don't they call these "Vampire" loads because they are always consuming power?

At the cabin... we unplug everything... one time we didn't and the power usage was measurable...

My Grandfather still unplugs the TV and Radio when he's done... lightning is common in his area and he is the only one that hasn't lost a TV or Radio to Lightning...

Just went back and forth with the boss over a HP 4000 series office printer that needs a new fuser... she told me not to fix it... she was buying a new one because they don't cost much more than fixing...

She latter learned a similar replacement with multi-paper drawers could run close to a $1000 and I can fix this one with new rollers and fuser for less than $200...

I can see where people focusing on price can get into trouble if they don't take the application into account.

She told me to repair what we have.
 
   / Another Example of Our "Disposable" Society #35  
We have a store in town called Batteries Plus. They seem pretty reasonable on prices and usually have things in stock. They have locations in TX. Might be worth a look.

thanks for the heads up on batteries plus, there is one sort of near my work.
 
   / Another Example of Our "Disposable" Society #36  
I worked for an appliance manufacturer. Life cycle for washing machines was 20yrs. plus(I have one that is 30+ yrs old). Then the industry went to 13 years planned life cycle......And so goes the story. .


Mine lasted four years. The warranty would provide the parts, but I had to pay for labor. Couldn't get the parts to DIY. Labor was more than the clothes washer was worth and there was a design defect that meant I'd be doing the same repair in about another 4 years.

Will make sure I don't buy anything made by that company again.
 
   / Another Example of Our "Disposable" Society #37  
I suppose a clothes washer or other appliance could be made to last about forever. You might need a forklift to move it :)

There is a trade-off point somewhere between initial cost and useful life. I would have to look to be sure but I am guessing a person would work fewer hours now (at an average wage) to buy most appliances than they did 20 yrs. ago. I don't recall older appliances being all that trouble free either.
Dave.
 
   / Another Example of Our "Disposable" Society #38  
Mine lasted four years. The warranty would provide the parts, but I had to pay for labor. Couldn't get the parts to DIY. Labor was more than the clothes washer was worth and there was a design defect that meant I'd be doing the same repair in about another 4 years.

Will make sure I don't buy anything made by that company again.

Sounds like my last washer:mad:...died after 2 years, out of warranty, bearings went out in the outer tub, could not buy just the bearings, had to buy the entire outer tub assembly. After spending $1500 for the matching washer/dryer when new I was pi**ed! Luckily I was able to DIY and repair the washer but in checking it out I found this was a common problem with the Cabrio models. I have now purchased new appliances (different manufacturer) with the hope of getting much longer life.

Curt
 
   / Another Example of Our "Disposable" Society #39  
I will say that the Maytag I bought in 1982 was still running when I bought the other brand in about 2004, and I wish I had kept the Maytag.
 
   / Another Example of Our "Disposable" Society #40  
Fixing our old drier frustrated my wife a lot:) and she was very happy when it finally died. It needed new motor and I decided enough was enough.
 

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