jd 214 engine stops when mower clicks in

[jd214]

my 1983 214 the engine stalls soon as i hit the electric clutch switch, disconnected wiries to clutch, still stalls engine. sometiime it backfires, and black smoke, tried another switch still does it, help???/

 

[Mighty Dodge]

Check and or bypass your seat switch. If you try to turn on the pto and aren't in the seat it'll kill the engine. Sounds like your seat safety switch is bad or you've figured out how to defy gravity.

M.D.

 

[jd214]

thanks md but i have already disconnected seat switch.im wondering if it has enough power to turn mower on, im going to put new points and cond in this am, points looked kinda burned.???? yesterday it would not even kick in, i shopok some wires under seat and it worked but still stalled engine.

 

[beenthere]

Sounds like time for some engine work. I'd start with new plug, and then a compression check.
I'm guessing that "shopok" means "shook". If so, I don't understand "it worked but still stalled the engine" explanation. If it still stalled the engine, seems it didn't solve the problem.
Need a bit more information of the history, what you feel you can do, and where we can help. I didn't think the '83 214 had a seat switch.

 

[jd214]

yes means shook, sorry, i just installed a new set of points, just started it, fine, but will try mower after lunch, im 72 but still growing, thnx again, , will let you know.

 

[jd214]

md , im back again, just went out and tried mower, same thing soon as i flick the switch engine will die, i also noticed, if i just put the switch on partialy , kills the engine before the blades even turn??? im stuck check wires under seat they are disconnected. plug is new.

 

[beenthere]

Well apparently it is not shorting to ground, or you would blow a fuse (if there is fuse protection).

Decide if this is drawing so much hp from the engine that the engine dies from overload (engine weak, or something caught in the clutch or the mower deck..but assume you know the deck runs free already).
Or the electric clutch is hanging up ..mechanical or electrical problem.

 

[jd214]

hi beenthere, i have disconnected wires from electric clutch, so there is no power to clutch, but same thing happens, soon as i flick the mower switch,engine dies, could it be a dead short? or that mower switch?

 

[rayikeo2]

When you disconnect the seat switch don't you have to put a jumper wireon the connector to maintain the circut? It sounds like you just pulled it apart and nothing else, is that what you did?

 

[jd214]

no, the seat switch was already disconnected when i bought tractor.

 

[beenthere]

hi beenthere, i have disconnected wires from electric clutch, so there is no power to clutch, but same thing happens, soon as i flick the mower switch,engine dies, could it be a dead short? or that mower switch?

Might be you are getting warmer...as to where the problem is. Now bypass the switch, and see if the electric clutch will take 12v and function. If so, it is maybe your switch.
Best work from a wiring schematic. I'd visit my friendly Deere dealer for some help there.

 

[jd214]

it seems now ii have two problems, my buddy next door is an electrician and he came over , we took the switch out, took it apart, and i am going to order a new one, but now with the switch out, the tractor will not even turn over. we seem to have juice one time, then no juice, going to take battery out tomorrow and check wiring to solonoide, mite be the problem??? thnx again

 

[MarkV]

Jd it looks like you have already cover this but my Cub was doing that and it ended up to be nothing more than a low battery. Those electric clutches pull a load that can do that without a good battery.

MarkV

 

[rayikeo2]

How long have you owned it and has it been running good for you before?

 

[jinman]

jd214, does your tractor have a reverse operation kill function? Do you have a switch to press for reverse operation with the mower going? If the reverse sensor is damaged (always on) as soon as you turn on the PTO, the engine will die. You have to hold down the bypass switch while you operate the PTO switch.

I really don't know if you have all this on a JD214, but that can be a problem in addition to the seat switch if you have this function.

 

[jd214]

How long have you owned it and has it been running good for you before?

ray, i have had it for 3 years, and it has been very good to me.

 

[jd214]

jim, no reverse switch, and seat switch is disconnected. thnx

 

[jd214]

beenthere: i haveinstalled new pto switch, and tractor starts and runs fine, soon as flick pto switch it kills engine, seems like a dead short. even with clutch disconnected stalls engine, yet blades and pulleys are free wheeling.

 

[beenthere]

beenthere: i haveinstalled new pto switch, and tractor starts and runs fine, soon as flick pto switch it kills engine, seems like a dead short. even with clutch disconnected stalls engine, yet blades and pulleys are free wheeling.

Meaning no wires connected to the clutch....or meaning the clutch is not connected to the mower deck?

Do you have a wiring diagram?

 

[amaxwell]

As mentioned in previous post ,weak battery.Try a new one and you will probably ok.

Alton