A Credible Global warming Scientist!

[rekees4300]

Nothing is unbelieveable in the respects of mankinds survival. I wish I could say that will never happen but look at all the extinct species that have come and gone.

99% of all species that have ever lived are now extinct! As long as humans have all their eggs in one basket (Earth) it's only a matter of time before we join the bone pile. We could improve the odds in our favor by colonizing Mars ASAP then other planets after that. It's unfortunate that mankind has squandered it's wealth on war for 1000s of years or we could have already been there.

 

[Duffster]

Can you believe it ? My grand daughter just walked over from next door, she is out of school now, just finished the 6th grade and is a great student in all advanced placement classes. She looked at me and said she watched a movie at school on global warming and after the film they were told their grandchildren would be the last human beings on Earth..! I am outraged..can you imagine putting this kind of thought into a young 12 yr. old mind..? How sick is that..? Something has to be done to stop this kind of brainwashing of our young with bad science. We could end up with a so what generation..that figures everything will die anyway..Of course I told her that was false and that the Earth would always cleanse itself and we were working on better ways to handle any pollution...

Public School?

 

[LMTC]

99% of all species that have ever lived are now extinct! As long as humans have all their eggs in one basket (Earth) it's only a matter of time before we join the bone pile. We could improve the odds in our favor by colonizing Mars ASAP then other planets after that. It's unfortunate that mankind has squandered it's wealth on war for 1000s of years or we could have already been there.

Interesting stat, but where is the data? Where is the list/count of all species known to have existed and the list/count of species still existing so we can mathematically determine the % of species that are extinct? And of course that presupposes that we KNOW of every species that has gone extinct AND of every species still existing. A bit of a leap perhaps, since it seems new species are discovered fairly regularly.

 

[rekees4300]

I heard the 99% figure on a couple different TV shows. Did a Google search and found the link below. Apparently the 99% figure is an estimate. It is true that new species are discovered all the time but in the over all scheme of things that number is small relative to the 1.5 millions of species that have been identified. The main point is that humans are no different than other species and they too will become extinct as long as all their eggs are in one basket.

Extinction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[kevindsingleton]

The main point is that humans are no different than other species and they too will become extinct as long as all their eggs are in one basket.

Extinction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's odd. I could have sworn humans were different from every other species ever in the entire history of the planet.

Something to do with thumbs, and the interwebs, wasn't it?

 

[rekees4300]

When a large asteroid takes aim at Earth our thumbs will be a big help ... We can all suck on them just before we are incinerated. :shocked:

 

[charlz]

We are having just the opposite. Seattle was the coldest major city in the US yesterday. We have been having March temps all month. Our highs should be around 70, but we've just barely been getting into the 50s. The garden isn't doing anything. The grass is sure growing though! Too bad it's too wet to be able to mow it.

Yep, same here. I haven't even planted the garden, will do it tomorrow/Monday as the weather looks to finally be getting back to 'average' temps.

 

[kevindsingleton]

When a large asteroid takes aim at Earth our thumbs will be a big help ... We can all suck on them just before we are incinerated. :shocked:

Asteroids don't take aim. Asteroids hit Mars, too. There's no escaping them, in this universe. So, it doesn't matter how many baskets you have, asteroids can still obliterate them. Worrying about the miniscule possibility of an asteroid taking out the entire human race verges on paranoia on a massive scale. Your energy might better be expended on worrying about something that might actually affect you.

 

[2manyrocks]

I think I'd worry about N. Korea or Iran or a former USSR nuke obtained by a terrorist group before I'd worry about what a "scientist" thinks.

Have you ever gone back and read any of the scientist predictions in any of the old science magazines? :thumbsup: It's not Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin, but close.

 

[rekees4300]

Asteroids don't take aim. Asteroids hit Mars, too. There's no escaping them, in this universe. So, it doesn't matter how many baskets you have, asteroids can still obliterate them. Worrying about the miniscule possibility of an asteroid taking out the entire human race verges on paranoia on a massive scale. Your energy might better be expended on worrying about something that might actually affect you.

"take aim" = figure of speech

The more "baskets" we have, the less likely we will become extinct. It's simple probability. The dinosaurs were wiped out by an asteroid so why not humans? Think of Mars as an insurance policy. If CNN announces the approaching asteroid wouldn't it be nice to have human colonies on Mars that would be exempt? It's not just asteroids. We could be zapped by a pandemic, nuclear war, perhaps global warming, and who knows what else. We need insurance against those risks.

 

[Patriotic Stabilist]

If each of us could share a bit it would make both places more comfortable.

I know its not much of a change but I wonder if it changed the orientation of the earth just enough to change our weather. The Chile earthquake that is.

You know I also read that the huge dam the Chinese are building is so big it too is effecting the earths rotation a bit with all that water concentrated in one area. We are now to the point man can effect the mass of the earth it appears and that is frightening.

 

[Patriotic Stabilist]

But then also think about that particle accelerator they are using that can create black holes, some people thought that might be the end of us, but so far we are still here aren't we??

 

[Patriotic Stabilist]

Apparently the premiums are to high.

If they did have such colonies, you can bet only the super rich would get off anyway. We are doomed I say, doomed!!:confused2:

 

[dcyrilc]

Yep, same here. I haven't even planted the garden, will do it tomorrow/Monday as the weather looks to finally be getting back to 'average' temps.

Sure wish we would. We should be in the low 70s, but have been in the low 50s all month.:thumbdown:

Went over to Spokane last weekend. Saturday was sure nasty. Sunday and Monday weren't bad, but definately not what they should have been. I packed for 80 degree temps like it should have been and froze my buns off.:confused3:

 

[charlz]

Asteroids don't take aim. Asteroids hit Mars, too. There's no escaping them, in this universe. So, it doesn't matter how many baskets you have, asteroids can still obliterate them. Worrying about the miniscule possibility of an asteroid taking out the entire human race verges on paranoia on a massive scale. Your energy might better be expended on worrying about something that might actually affect you.

I was watching that Stephen Hawking series yesterday in particular "The Story of Everything" episode. Friday April 13, 2029 asteroid Apophis, the size of a twenty-five story building, will pass so close to earth it will be between satellites and the planet :shocked: and it if doesn't hit that time it comes back around again 7 years later.

Maybe some of you guys won't potentially be affected by anything that many years out but I'm still 'young'

 

[brin]

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" Default Re: A Credible Global warming Scientist!
Why would you go see someone about those statements. If a asteriod hit we could be gone tomorrow. Do you really beleive mankind will survive forever? We are likely just a dot in time."

You miss the point entirely....It is my assertion that no one should tell a 12 yr. old that their grand children WILL be the last human beings on earth. The operative word here is " WILL " which when coming from a teacher becomes fact instead of an assertion of what might be. This kind of dooms day statement has no place in a childs education. In the last two years of high school in more advanced science classes they can teach possibilities and theories but unless I missed something no one on earth can tell my grand daughter her grand children will be the last humans on earth. Who among us has that knowledge ? See my point now...12 yrs. old is too young to be burdened with dooms day cetainty..not possibility but certainty...Get it ?

 

[SPYDERLK]

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" Default Re: A Credible Global warming Scientist!
Why would you go see someone about those statements. If a asteriod hit we could be gone tomorrow. Do you really beleive mankind will survive forever? We are likely just a dot in time."

You miss the point entirely....It is my assertion that no one should tell a 12 yr. old that their grand children WILL be the last human beings on earth. The operative word here is " WILL " which when coming from a teacher becomes fact instead of an assertion of what might be. This kind of dooms day statement has no place in a childs education. In the last two years of high school in more advanced science classes they can teach possibilities and theories but unless I missed something no one on earth can tell my grand daughter her grand children will be the last humans on earth. Who among us has that knowledge ? See my point now...12 yrs. old is too young to be burdened with dooms day cetainty..not possibility but certainty...Get it ?

Actually, a valuable lesson for the child ... to be furnished by yous; ]teachers are fallible, ]perhaps it was poorly expressed as a probability based on trends -and therefore misinterpreted, ]extreme statements are suspect, ]react by networking with other knowledgeable people ...
larry

 

[rekees4300]

Can you believe it ? My grand daughter just walked over from next door, she is out of school now, just finished the 6th grade and is a great student in all advanced placement classes. She looked at me and said she watched a movie at school on global warming and after the film they were told their grandchildren would be the last human beings on Earth..! I am outraged..can you imagine putting this kind of thought into a young 12 yr. old mind..? How sick is that..? Something has to be done to stop this kind of brainwashing of our young with bad science. We could end up with a so what generation..that figures everything will die anyway..Of course I told her that was false and that the Earth would always cleanse itself and we were working on better ways to handle any pollution...

Is it possible the teacher used the word could and that your grand daughter just remembered it incorrectly? That sounds more plausible to me since could is a very real possibility. As far as the Earth cleansing itself that's the good news, the bad news is that 6,800,000,000 humans ARE the pollution. In this century Mother Earth will start making what I call an "adjustment" in the over population problem.

 

[brin]

Is it possible the teacher used the word could and that your grand daughter just remembered it incorrectly? That sounds more plausible to me since could is a very real possibility. As far as the Earth cleansing itself that's the good news, the bad news is that 6,800,000,000 humans ARE the pollution. In this century Mother Earth will start making what I call an "adjustment" in the over population problem.

Not according to my Grand Daughter who is a great student. The teacher said WILL , I specifically asked her that very thing.

But let's suppose the teacher did say.." Your grand children COULD be the last humans on Earth " Now based on what proven science can the teacher make such a statement and more importantly do you feel it is proper to put that kind of scare into a 12 year old's mind ? or could something like that be better explained in a high school science class in her junior or senior year.?

 

[rekees4300]

Not according to my Grand Daughter who is a great student. The teacher said WILL , I specifically asked her that very thing.

But let's suppose the teacher did say.." Your grand children COULD be the last humans on Earth " Now based on what proven science can the teacher make such a statement and more importantly do you feel it is proper to put that kind of scare into a 12 year old's mind ? or could something like that be better explained in a high school science class in her junior or senior year.?

I don't think it's "proven science" but there are some who believe that global warming could (some say already has) reach a "tipping point" at which the warming will be self sustaining and perpetuating ... beyond the control of humans regardless of what they do. I do not feel it is proper for a 12 year old to be scared and that the situation should be explained later. However, I do think it's important for everyone to be educated re global warming. Perhaps that would have an impact in curtailing the problem or at least help us to adapt?