Ford 1500 Steering Slop

[JC-jetro]

That is a great site you have access to for the parts and diagrams. I can't join it as I am no dealer. Partspring is "similar", but it's open to the public. I have gotten an item-or-two from them.

If you get around to looking close at the 1500...the diagram that I have does not show that pin or shaft protruding from the frame like your 1700 photo does....just shows an opening. The blow-ups show the bushing or plug (one on each side of the frame member).

Post me that one for the 1500 when you want to do me another favor and I will see if it's the same as the Partspring diagram.

Hey Old,

Here we go, #27 is the bushing you need to check. By the way, I don't have any more access to anything more than you do. As soundguy said, the information I'm putting up is available to public thru their (CNH) website. I just might be able to control the information and regirgitate a bit better than average. I have a link to their (CNH) part. Partsspring is using the same info as well. I'm doing a print screen emulation and convert it to a PDF file so I can then post here. Look at the attachment as well for parts number if you need to check price and availability from your local cnh dealer. At times I just call them and give them a number and in one minute they give me the info I'm seeking.

JC,

Link to parts. On model# just type in 1500 and you're good to go

https://webparts.pvassociates.net/cnh/webparts/main.php


1500 axle,

 

[old1500]

Partspring lists the #27 in parts diagram, but does not list it in the "order column" as an individual part. I'll have to get the bushings elsewhere I suppose....or manufacture something.

I am still having difficulty getting into the cnh webparts site, but I will figure that out.

Look...you guys have been great! I am an old Harley nut and stay on most of the motorcycle forums working with people and problems. I would like to think that I am as knowledgeable about Harley Davidson's as you guys seem to be on these tractors. I have owned these small tractors off-n-on, but when I purchased this little 1500...I became attached to it and decided I would bring it back to life. She is solid-as-a-dollar (for what that's worth nowadays) in the engine and drive-train department and I plan to hang onto this one. I just need to get my wrenches out and go to work on this steering slack problem and have learned a LOT from you guys.

 

[Soundguy]

if that link doesn't work..or tells you timed out.. hit New Holland and go for the parts search from there.. takes a couple extra step but should get you there.

also, as for saving the diagrams.. if you don't want to dot he printscreen/pdf thing, you can simply right click on the diagram and save it as a file.. usually .bmp, .gif, or .jpg depending on the browser you are using.

soundguy

 

[JC-jetro]

Partspring lists the #27 in parts diagram, but does not list it in the "order column" as an individual part. I'll have to get the bushings elsewhere I suppose....or manufacture something.

I am still having difficulty getting into the cnh webparts site, but I will figure that out.

Look...you guys have been great! I am an old Harley nut and stay on most of the motorcycle forums working with people and problems. I would like to think that I am as knowledgeable about Harley Davidson's as you guys seem to be on these tractors. I have owned these small tractors off-n-on, but when I purchased this little 1500...I became attached to it and decided I would bring it back to life. She is solid-as-a-dollar (for what that's worth nowadays) in the engine and drive-train department and I plan to hang onto this one. I just need to get my wrenches out and go to work on this steering slack problem and have learned a LOT from you guys.

If you open up the attached file(double click on it) and it opens up the complete parts breakdown and parts #. I'd suggest you to call CNH and give them the part #. I bit you a bushing like that is used on several model and they can cross match and find what you exactly need.

JC,

Part#27. SBA # is the one you need.

 

[Soundguy]

well here's what a 15 second google search turned up for me using that bushing number:

FARMERLINK -- FORD TRACTOR PARTS 05/02/10
FORD BUSHING Item Number: A-SBA398510080 $3.12 A-SBA398510080

Agricultural & Industrial Tractor & Combine Parts - Tractor Parts - Ford - New Holland - Front Axle-Steering Parts - Spindles and Related Parts ($0.00 - $103.00) - TracParts.com

Item #: A-SBA398510080
$4.68 $3.79
Spindle Bushing

Looks like this on is A&I very common..

those were the top 2 listed.. I found about 30 other websites selling that bushing all for about the same price.. IE.. 5$ or so. just googled the bushing number.. etc..

soundguy

 

[JC-jetro]

well here's what a 15 second google search turned up for me using that bushing number:

FARMERLINK -- FORD TRACTOR PARTS 05/02/10
FORD BUSHING Item Number: A-SBA398510080 $3.12 A-SBA398510080

Agricultural & Industrial Tractor & Combine Parts - Tractor Parts - Ford - New Holland - Front Axle-Steering Parts - Spindles and Related Parts ($0.00 - $103.00) - TracParts.com

Item #: A-SBA398510080
$4.68 $3.79
Spindle Bushing

Looks like this on is A&I very common..

those were the top 2 listed.. I found about 30 other websites selling that bushing all for about the same price.. IE.. 5$ or so. just googled the bushing number.. etc..

soundguy

We're making a great tag team you might need to start charging$$$

JC,

 

[Soundguy]

I just hope the guy can find one and get his machine going like he wants to.

soundguy

 

[old1500]

I was able to figure out how to get to that CNH website and actually had deduced the correct part number for that bushing. I agree...looks pretty common and surprisingly cheap.....until I go down to the local dealer to buy it, then the price will triple.

I will likely take advantage of ordering it off one of these sites you guys have pointed me to. It's truly amazing what a man can do with internet access and a PayPal account!

 

[Soundguy]

heck or even a cc # and have it drop shipped right to your door.. likely in 2-3 days.

soundguy

 

[old1500]

I finally got back around to working on my NH 1500 steering slop and got to the heart of the issue. When I pulled the sector shaft out, I discovered the two "ears" are broken off the end of the shaft on the adjustment side and the shaft was pretty much just wobbling around just at the end of the inside of the cover. Now here is my dilemma.

There were two different cases (load decks) made over the course of 1979 when this tractor was introduced and 1982...and on. Looks like in 1982 they improved it and added a bushing on the output side. I have a 1980 model based on the SN, but I have a bronze bushing in the case (load deck) and the load deck has an original "cast iron" color and is not blue like the rest of the original parts. I am betting that I need the latter sector shaft and based on the description of the one I found, this is the one I ordered.

Does anybody have a clue as to what the differences would have been between the two versions? No big deal if I have ordered the wrong one. I will just have to order the "other one". I was just curious as to the difference.

Anyhow....I feel sure this will take care of my slop, or at lest what was in the steering-gear box....which was a real butt-load of slack.

 

[Soundguy]

no idea on the difference other than the bushing.. post back when you get it and let us know what you see.

good luck

soundguy

 

[old1500]

Will do. Based on mine being made in 1980 (per the serial number) I never expected to find the case with the bronze bushing installed....and it looks good too...the bushing I mean. No wonder I had so much slack. That outer (cover) end was just flopping in the breeze.

Yep there are two different part numbers for two different shafts, but I don't see what the difference could be. The picture from the catalog I ordered mine from looks exactly like the one I pulled out and the measurements (36 spline, 5-teeth, etc.) are the same as what I have in my hand. Maybe the diameter of the ones without the bushings were a little different? If I got the wrong one...I hope it is a little larger than the other one and I can just turn it down to fit and not fool with a return/replacement.

We'll know when the UPS man gets it here.

 

[old1500]

Soundguy.......I think I have most of this figured out and know what somebody did. I have been pouring over parts diagrams and PN's from the various model years.There were two basic configurations for the 1500 from start year 79 to early 82, then some changes were made in early 82. The change was adding a bushing in the output side of the load deck. With this change, they also changed the sector shaft and the cover. So...if one had updated to the new load deck (case) he/she should have also changed the shaft and the cover. The previous owner/owners did not do that.

I have the updated cover with the busing on the output side, but whoever replaced the deck (cover) did not replace the shaft and the end cover. So, I am sure that the old shaft will work with the new cover on the output side. (Only change in PN was the addition of the bushing). BUT...the reason my shaft broke was the misfit on the cover side. Across the model years, some covers had bushings and some didn't. Since the interior of my cover is trashed (worn) anyway, I think all I will have to do is have a busing installed to match the older shaft, which will already work on the output side of the newer cover.

If that does not look like it will work out, all I should have to do is get the updated shaft and cover, but I am going to try and avoid that $300 (cost for shaft and cover), buy just fixing the older cover I have now with a bushing.

Who's on first?

Man-o-an...wading through and figuring out all this stuff is worse than fooling with my old Harleys. I have the Harley pattern of confusion figured out, but these tractor people really do a better job of trying to trick a guy.

My whole problem is that whoever changed the load deck...did not update it with the sector shaft and the proper end cover.

 

[Soundguy]

fun ain't it.

it's not uncommon to see stuff like that. IE.. mismatched parts.. or parts repaired in a non standard way.

keep us posted.

soundguy

 

[old1500]

The diagrams are not exactly clear (surprise...surprise) amongst the various models, but I have a question to ask concerning what is called the "column" (PN:334292141 #5 in the diagram) in the 03E03A version, or the "cover" (PN:334240060 #6 on the diagram) on the 03E03 version diagram. I believe JC posted a diagram of a steering section on page 1 of this thread that zero's in on my concern. If you look at the blow-up down in the lower right-hand corner.

For simplicity sake...lets call it the steering column. Some drawings lead one to believe the flange and the column that bolts onto the top of the box are a "solid" piece, yet the blow-up I mentioned in JC's diagram, clearly shows this flange as a slide-in (for lack of a better description).

This is a 1500 I am talking about here and mine appears to be "loose" at this junction and the column doses not appear to be solidly affixed to the flange on the bottom.

Does anybody have any thoughts in whether-or-not the column on the 1500 should be a "part of" the flange, or does the flange "slide" into the base of the column? The diagrams I have found show it to be a solid piece.

 

[old1500]

Okay folks.....SHE STEERS!

I appreciate all the input and help and also hope that somebody with a steering issue like I had may one day see this information and it can save them a lot of time. To recap...I had a 1980 1500 that had a mind of it's own. I knew going out the gate that I had an issue and this was my first shot at tractor-fixing since those 50's model gas burning Fords. When I got right down to it and figured it out, it was a fairly simple fix.

Ford/NH changed some of the steering components in early 1982. From it's 1979 introduction up to early 1982, you must have a specific sector shaft, end cover and box (load-deck). The components will not interchange. I had thought for a while that someone had installed a late model sector shaft in this early box, but that was not correct...it won't fit.

I wound up with a new early-model sector shaft and a new early model end cover to fix my problem. The early cover has no bushing and the new cover does, but the old shaft will not fit the new cover and the new cover will not bolt onto the end of the old box. I still have a "tad" of slack in the system, but I am sure most anything that old is due a little slack and I am not distraught enough to start changing tie-rod ends, what I have is what I will live with and I am sure I could adjust that out even more with the sector shaft adjustment screw.

She now travels in the direction she is pointed and I have regained control.

Thanks for all the help!

 

[JC-jetro]

Old,

Glad you got her to steer:thumbsup: I have another " Steering lesson learned" that I'm working on right now. I'm in the process of repairing. I'll post a thread later on to cover it as it will be good to avoid some unforeseen mechanical type steering issues for 1700 owners and tractors alike.

JC,

 

[old1500]

Please keep me posted on any "steering stuff"....I am now a pro on 1500 mechanical steering PN"s and most of that stuff crosses over to big brother (1700).

I am so thrilled....that I have done nothing but just ride around through the woods and down the road for the past 2-hours. I had to get back in here and check my fuel level.

Soundguy has been hanging-in too.

Thanks!

 

[Soundguy]

did that one have a back lash adjustment, or a way to adjust thrust bearing preload using shims or an adjuster stud / nut?

soundguy

 

[old1500]

Soundguy....yes it does, but they did it a little differently than the diagrams show and what the stock sector shaft does. The stock shaft has a channel (for lack of a better word) milled all way through the adjustment side of the shaft and the adjustment screw "slides" into this slot. Cutting that slot for the screw takes away fully 1/2 the bearing surface on the cover end of the shaft. None of this matters if the cover is in good shape and there is still some 1/2 inch of full shaft thickness to bear inside the cover. Where the trouble begins (and why these ears break) is when you run the adjustment screw deep into the cover. The farther in you adjust the screw...the less full shaft bearing area you have and when you get the "ears" pushed out to the edge of the cover cup...."snap".

This one has a hole drilled right down into the end and the head of the adjustment screw is a little smaller in diameter. There is a slot milled down inside this hole to accept a snap-ring (internal). First...you drop in the screw (head first), then a washer, then the snap-ring that holds the washer and screw in place. There is no slot cut across the end of the shaft and the bearing surface runs on out to the very edge. Imagine a broom-stick with a screw in the very end of it and you will have the mental picture of what I am trying to explain. I have some pictures on one of these threads.

I stumbled across it at Walt's Tractor Parts. Others wanted over $600 for the stock shaft, but Walt had it for $165.00 and it is better designed.

Hope all this makes sense?