Snow Snow plow and hydraulic help

[carnochanm]

Hello,

Today I purchased a 6 1/2' Curtis snow plow from a friend that no longer used it. It has power angle and he gave me the valve and hoses that he had on his tractor. I believe everything I need was included but the ATI quick attach plate that I am going to order this week. I am not 100% positive how to hook up the hydraulics so I could use some help with that please. The valve he gave me has two long hoses that go to the plow I am sure. Then there is a shorter hose that goes from the "in" to the "out" on the valve. I think he may have just took it off the tractor and reconnected to the valve to keep dirt out. I am not positive where to hook the "in" and "out" to on the tractor.

I have included pictures so you all can see what I got.

The tractor is a B3030HST with the LA403 loader. Thanks for any help.

 

[leonz]

No worries-


The quick coupler hoses have color coded
tie wraps to make sure they do not get
cross connected on the tractor.

It appears that you simply have a pair of
single acting cylinders with one hose to the
base of the cylinder.

Hooking up will be simply a matter of deciding
if you want to pull back and go left with the
plow or push forward to go right with the plow.


leon

 

[kennyd]

A few questions before I can help...

1. Does this new extra valve have a port labeled PB? Or is it only the IN and OUT ports?

2. Do you plan to permanently mount this valve, or only use it when the plow is attached?

Some answers to your questions:

The valve he gave me has two long hoses that go to the plow I am sure.

Correct. That "bulkhead" with the QD's on it is supposed to be mounted up front on the loader cross tube. The plow hose will plug into those QD's.

Then there is a shorter hose that goes from the "in" to the "out" on the valve. I think he may have just took it off the tractor and reconnected to the valve to keep dirt out.

I agree, they are just plugged together to keep them clean.

I am not positive where to hook the "in" and "out" to on the tractor.

Since he had QD's on the IN/OUT ports, I suspect he just "plugged" the valve in when he needed it. You will have to see how they match up to your machine, but basically the OUT of your FEL valve would go to the IN of the new valve, and the OUT of the new valve would plug to the hose that was on the FEL valve. You are putting this valve in "series".

 

[carnochanm]

A few questions before I can help...

1. Does this new extra valve have a port labeled PB? Or is it only the IN and OUT ports?



2. Do you plan to permanently mount this valve, or only use it when the plow is attached?

Some answers to your questions:

Correct. That "bulkhead" with the QD's on it is supposed to be mounted up front on the loader cross tube. The plow hose will plug into those QD's.

I agree, they are just plugged together to keep them clean.

Since he had QD's on the IN/OUT ports, I suspect he just "plugged" the valve in when he needed it. You will have to see how they match up to your machine, but basically the OUT of your FEL valve would go to the IN of the new valve, and the OUT of the new valve would plug to the hose that was on the FEL valve. You are putting this valve in "series".

Thanks for the replies and help and to answer your questions.

1- It only has In and Out on the valve. The valve is a Cross BAA maybe and the two smaller ports are labeled A and B.

2- I do plan to mount it to the tractor.

 

[kennyd]

Some up close pictures of the valve will be helpful, Look carefully for a port (it may be blocked off) that is labeled PB (power beyond). Online info for Cross valve's is scarce, but it does say for the BA series PB is available-Look HERE.

The "proper" way to do this is with a PB capable valve. You will see a port on your FEL valve marked PB, that would connect to the IN of the new valve, the PB of the new valve would get connected to hose you removed from the FEL valve, and the OUT of the new valve can be Tee'd to the existing OUT line on the FEL valve.

But there are a few options...Do a search for "power beyond" in the hydraulics forums for hours of reading!

 

[carnochanm]

Some up close pictures of the valve will be helpful, Look carefully for a port (it may be blocked off) that is labeled PB (power beyond). Online info for Cross valve's is scarce, but it does say for the BA series PB is available-Look HERE.

The "proper" way to do this is with a PB capable valve. You will see a port on your FEL valve marked PB, that would connect to the IN of the new valve, the PB of the new valve would get connected to hose you removed from the FEL valve, and the OUT of the new valve can be Tee'd to the existing OUT line on the FEL valve.

But there are a few options...Do a search for "power beyond" in the hydraulics forums for hours of reading!

Kenny,

Thanks for your help and effort. Sorry I havent gotten back to you sooner but it has been a few crazy days at work. I have added some better pictures of the valve for you to see. There is one big port blocked off that has "BYD" marked above it. Could that be the port I am looking for. I will do a search on the forum and do some reading and hopefully shed some light for me. I just have never fulled with hydraulics before but not afraid to get my hands dirty and learn. I ordered the quick attach plate from Messicks and some maintance items I needed for the tractor.

 

[Gator6x4]

Unless my eyes are failing me, you already have a quick attach plate attached. Maybe some else can look at the photos and advise if they also see the quick attach plate.

 

[leonz]

I believe what the phot shows is the actual mating plate on the plow-he needs to order the mating half that replaces the bucket and attaches to the loader arms and tilt cylinder.

 

[kennyd]

Kenny,

Thanks for your help and effort. Sorry I havent gotten back to you sooner but it has been a few crazy days at work. I have added some better pictures of the valve for you to see. There is one big port blocked off that has "BYD" marked above it. Could that be the port I am looking for. I will do a search on the forum and do some reading and hopefully shed some light for me. I just have never fulled with hydraulics before but not afraid to get my hands dirty and learn. I ordered the quick attach plate from Messicks and some maintance items I needed for the tractor.

YES! The port marked BYD is what I wanted to see. That is the same as the PB port I was referring to before (I should have mentioned that they can be marked that also)

Again, the "proper" way to hook this up will require the special "plug" that goes in that port to make this a "power beyond" type valve.

Here is the sequence:

PB from the FEL valve to the IN of the new one
PB of the new valve to hose you removed from the FEL valve's PB port
OUT of the new valve can be Tee'd to the same OUT line from the FEL valve.

Surplus Center may sell the PB plug if you call them, in the mean time you can work on getting the valve mounted, then work out the hose lengths.

 

[carnochanm]

Thanks again Kenny. You are the man when it comes to hydraulics. I have been reading since posting earlier and every hydraulic post you have replied and helped someone out. So when I call Surplus Center I need to ask them for this PB plug that will fit into the BYD port of my new valve. I will have to pull that plug and see what size the threads are.

thanks again

 

[kennyd]

Thanks again Kenny. You are the man when it comes to hydraulics. I have been reading since posting earlier and every hydraulic post you have replied and helped someone out. So when I call Surplus Center I need to ask them for this PB plug that will fit into the BYD port of my new valve. I will have to pull that plug and see what size the threads are.

thanks again

Thank you for your kind words



Use the term "power beyond sleeve" when you call, rather than "plug" No need to pull the plug, just tell them what info you have on the valve. It is probably a "one PB sleeve fits all Cross valves"type of thing...

 

[carnochanm]

I will call tomorrow. I did pull the plug and it is bigger then 3/4 NPT but smaller then 1" It must be an odd size.

I will keep you updated and appreciate all your help. I wish I would have done this a month and a half ago with all the snow we have got here in MD.

 

[kennyd]

I will call tomorrow. I did pull the plug and it is bigger then 3/4 NPT but smaller then 1" It must be an odd size.

I will keep you updated and appreciate all your help. I wish I would have done this a month and a half ago with all the snow we have got here in MD.

Where in MD are you? Nosey people need to know these things!

 

[carnochanm]

I live on the Eastern Shore about 35min from the bridge off of 404. I work on your side though near Odenton.

 

[kennyd]

When I hooked up my Curtis plow I purchased an electric solenoid hydraulic valve and mounted it above my FEL valve. I have an electric switch in my cab that will activate the electric solenoid so that I can either angle my blade when the solenoid is activated, or if it isn't activated it will control the dump and roll back cycle on my loaded. I find it woks well, and the one FEL lever does everything.

Kenneyd can likely explain what I have set up better than I can.

You have a electric "diverter" valve.

The OP already has this manual spool valve-I doubt he want's to buy another device.

 

[kennyd]

With the manual spool valve will he still have the dump and roll cycle on his FEL?

Yes. The new valve just adds a entirely independent circuit.

 

[carnochanm]

Kenny,

I got the valve mounted to the tractor this morning and the PB sleeve should be here Monday. I got a guy lined up to make the new hoses but have a couple quick questions.

From what I have read here the valve marked green is my PB port on the FEL. Is that correct?
How can I tell which valve is my output (the one I am going to put a "T" in) from the FEL?

Again thanks for all your help and my newbie questions.

Mike

 

[kennyd]

Kenny,

I got the valve mounted to the tractor this morning and the PB sleeve should be here Monday. I got a guy lined up to make the new hoses but have a couple quick questions.

From what I have read here the valve marked green is my PB port on the FEL. Is that correct?
How can I tell which valve is my output (the one I am going to put a "T" in) from the FEL?

Again thanks for all your help and my newbie questions.

Mike

Not quite sure what you mean by "marked green", It should be marked PB or BYD as well-If it's not marked, then follow it out and it should go to the 3PH.

The one you are going to Tee should be marked OUT, or T (for tank), it should go to the tranny case (basically the sump)

Be sure to use proper hydraulic fittings, please resist the urge to use plumbing fittings from the hardware store...

 

[carnochanm]

Not quite sure what you mean by "marked green", It should be marked PB or BYD as well-If it's not marked, then follow it out and it should go to the 3PH.

The one you are going to Tee should be marked OUT, or T (for tank), it should go to the tranny case (basically the sump)

Be sure to use proper hydraulic fittings, please resist the urge to use plumbing fittings from the hardware store...

Kenny,

I got it all figured out finally. I read here while searching and somewhere someone said the power beyond switch will be marked green. I just cleaned the valve up really good and noticed a "BY" by the green marked cable. I also seen a "P" and a "T" . I found out the "P" is the pressure in port and the "T" is the return port back to the tank.

I will certainly use the correct fittings. I dont like doing things twice or half *****

Now to just wait for the rest of the parts to show up before the next big storm.

Thanks again for the quick reply

 

[kennyd]

Kenny,

I got it all figured out finally. I read here while searching and somewhere someone said the power beyond switch will be marked green. I just cleaned the valve up really good and noticed a "BY" by the green marked cable. I also seen a "P" and a "T" . I found out the "P" is the pressure in port and the "T" is the return port back to the tank.

I will certainly use the correct fittings. I dont like doing things twice or half *****

Now to just wait for the rest of the parts to show up before the next big storm.

Thanks again for the quick reply

You are welcome:thumbsup: