It's kidding time again!!

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Tom........Are your kids/children......pardon the pun........NEW to this??????? Golly they are brave with a totally major investment in not only capital but time and energy........Hope they got a super dooper, cannot passup, once in a lifetime deal..............Good LUCK and let God really bless this herd.........Dennis
 
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Had a big day yesterday, three sets of twins and one of triplets. As of 10 PM we have 13 kids on the ground since Saturday. Started slow and then, BANG nine in one day. Still have six does ready to kid any day now. Or should I say any minute??:eek:
 
   / It's kidding time again!! #23  
Tom........Are your kids/children......pardon the pun........NEW to this??????? Golly they are brave with a totally major investment in not only capital but time and energy........Hope they got a super dooper, cannot passup, once in a lifetime deal..............Good LUCK and let God really bless this herd.........Dennis


Thank You Dennis

They have done their homework, made some good deals on their setup, old enough to be careful, but young enough to take the chance, they have two fine sons, one 13 years old who is helping with the night milking,:)( unfortunately he won't be helping "pop" on the weekends now). The younger one is 7 so it won't be long before he can help out. Son in law milked cows for 10 years while running a lawn mowing service.

Tom in Vermont
 
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Are they going to sell the milk to cheese makers, or are they going to make cheese and sell it? It's not that easy to find a market for your milk. And in New York State, there are a lot of regualtions for your milking parlor and equipment. Plus in NY there are monthly inspections. It's easier in Vermont, though they have their own regs. I'm just over the border from VErmont, and wished I was actually in Vermont, a lot less regulations there.
 
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Are they going to sell the milk to cheese makers, or are they going to make cheese and sell it? It's not that easy to find a market for your milk. And in New York State, there are a lot of regualtions for your milking parlor and equipment. Plus in NY there are monthly inspections. It's easier in Vermont, though they have their own regs. I'm just over the border from VErmont, and wished I was actually in Vermont, a lot less regulations there.

Selling it, shipped their first load yesterday!!:)

Tom in Vermont
 
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Nearly finished. We have 21 kids on the ground now. Nine sets of twins one of triplets, two does still pregnant. Don't know how you commercial herd people do it? We are tuckered out.
Oh yes, and I used my Mahindra tractor to reposition the round bale feeders.
Hey, this is a tractor forum, right?
 
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I love being a diary goat farmer, but I HATE kidding time. It's sooo frantic and stressful. I have a lot of friends who are also commercial dairy goat farmers, and they all hate kidding time, as well, but it's something we all have to go through.
 
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Susan, my wife, Goat Momma/Doc, is down at the barn this early AM......In the last week she has spent probably 18 hrs per day down there nursing and taking care of the mommas and babies.........REALLY not a good season. Don't know if it is because of all of the rains we have had for the last 2 months or what; but LOTS of problems...........

One momma of 3 billies on the ground died. Susan fought off toxemia for a week previous to birthing. Drenching with fluids and food 3 or 4 times per day. After birthing, she came down with what looked like milk fever, then wouldnt eat, then wouldnt drink and finally died......She was our herd momma, a genetically high powered, 5 YO who had produced a lot of really nice kids..........

The day after she died a really finicky momma gave birth to a really great single doe. REALLY GREAT. Wide front, full chest, LONG, and nice butt..........Susan took the afterbirth and put it on one of the orphan billies, the best, and loe and behold the momma accepted it.......One down......2 to bottle feed..........This momma though, due to the size of the kid, Susan had to go in, and now despite LOTS of anti-biotics is showing signs of a uterine infection..........

The first momma that birthed that we had to have the vet out to hook up a harness is doing fine after HUGE rounds of flushing out the uterus and again anti-biotic regimines......The baby though, has real pastern problems that will require splinting; but they have been taking off because trying to encourage nursing........First it had lung problems that have pretty much gone away, but now it seems the digestive tract has shut down.......Tube feeding, with momma's milk with supplements to set up rumine and stop the clear diareha........

Meanwhile, or Pipeline daughter, yes daughter, Pipeline has been dead for 8 years and she was kept as an embroe frozen for those 8 years........She is going on 2 now, totally beautiful and AI'd with some really great genes........She is perhaps a month out and getting huge................

ON and on...........We have let our herd get down to what was 6 mommas due to the drought, pasture over-grazed and worm problems, and we wanted to improve our total genetic pool.........We got rid of our billies, they were great but everyone was becoming related and have switched over to AI to improve the gene pool.........This is gonna take a few years; but should end up with some show stoppers and therefore profit at the market auctions..........Our pastures DO NOT allow a meat herd and so we are limited to perhaps a max of 10 to 15 mommas.......Wish we could do meat, but only 5 of our 23 acres are true grass and the rest is hardwood old growth oak and hickory.......We run them on this in the fall as they get FAT on the acorns and leaves........

Anyway, will shut down for now and go work on the garden........thanks for listening/reading this list of frustrations with GOATS...........I really do NOT know how you folks with hundreds or even 20 make it.............God bless......Dennis
 
   / It's kidding time again!! #30  
I take it goats kid all at the same time instead of year round like cows?
 
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Duffster, yes, goats are seasonal breeders. They breed in late summer to fall, and have a 5 month, 5 day gestation period, so it's now kidding time.

Dennis, I know how you feel. Some years it seems everything that can go wrong does go wrong. We've had kidding seasons like that. I've gotten good at delivering kids and even "going in" to get them out, but a good caprine vet is essential. Luckily, you seem to have one.
 
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Duffster.........Goats are 1st cousins to deer. There is a definate rut season. A normal billy that is gentle and wanting his nose rubbed or can't live unless he brushes up against you when you visit the pasture can turn into a 450 lb Godzilla on his hind feet coming down horns first at you. One doesnt turn your back on a billy during rut. No the dont get back 20 feet and charge like in cartoons, they rise on their back feet and come down at you........NOT fun......

Rich.......Most vets around here barely know anything about what to do.......Susan gets most of her knowledge and information from the various goat forums. We are blessed with one lady Vet that tries her best and with God's help it usually comes out one way or the other.........Susan has become a great goat doc.........Dennis
 
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Dennis, yeah, good caprine vets are hard to find, and even harder to afford. I do have a good caprine vet, and she's been good about teaching me a lot of things, so I do most treatments myself, but I can call her if I get in over my head. I do have a background as a wildlife biologist, so that helps.
 
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I take it goats kid all at the same time instead of year round like cows?

No, they don't.

Most goats are fall breeders and come into heat during the months of September through February. Does experience estrus or come into heat about every 18-22 days during that period.

We control our breeding so as to have the kids born in Sep-Oct and again in Feb-Mar. The weather is better then. Their gestation period is five months.

Our bucks are kept seperate from the does then we put the does we want bred to the bucks. We also have three seperate buck pens. Our breeding program is very carefully managed.

By the way, if anyone wants to see some nice new kids, we now have 23, visit our Web site and go to the herd page. The does that just had kids are marked and there are links from there to pictures of their kids.

I can talk goats all day long. But this is a tractor forum so I won't. My Mahindra 4500 4X4 is alive and well hiding in the barn. Needs a new battery, but I am putting that off till a few more $$ show up.
 
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No, they don't.

Most goats are fall breeders and come into heat during the months of September through February. Does experience estrus or come into heat about every 18-22 days during that period.

We control our breeding so as to have the kids born in Sep-Oct and again in Feb-Mar. The weather is better then. Their gestation period is five months.

Our bucks are kept seperate from the does then we put the does we want bred to the bucks. We also have three seperate buck pens. Our breeding program is very carefully managed.

By the way, if anyone wants to see some nice new kids, we now have 23, visit our Web site and go to the herd page. The does that just had kids are marked and there are links from there to pictures of their kids.

I can talk goats all day long. But this is a tractor forum so I won't. My Mahindra 4500 4X4 is alive and well hiding in the barn. Needs a new battery, but I am putting that off till a few more $$ show up.

Nice looking critters. I like the water "tub".

Talking tractors gets boring, nothing wrong with talking about the critters since that is why some of us have tractors.:cool:

Thanks for the goat education guys.
 
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By the way, if anyone wants to see some nice new kids, we now have 23, visit our Web site and go to the herd page. The does that just had kids are marked and there are links from there to pictures of their kids.

I can talk goats all day long. But this is a tractor forum so I won't. My Mahindra 4500 4X4 is alive and well hiding in the barn. Needs a new battery, but I am putting that off till a few more $$ show up.

Don't know anything about goats, but your stock looks like goats you can be very proud of, you must be doing something right. :)
Dave.
 

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