Backhoe backhoe problems?

[kodiak88]

Im looking to get a ck30hst with the kioti bh ,i have been around on this and some other sites and a few people voiced their concerns about the backhoes not holding ,or leaking down.I dont mind if it leaks down when im not on the tractor,but i dont want to be going through the woods and have to bump up everything every five seconds.Im looking at the 75 bh from kioti.Is this an old issue or what.I will be using the bh an awful lot ,building a house,culvert driveway,alot of leech lines.I wont have time to mess with a not so great backhoe.Thanks im getting ready to buy and dont want remorse.

 

[rimshot]

I have the KB2465 Kioti backhoe on my CK-20 HST. If I don't lock the outriggers up for extended periods(days)l when I'm not using the tractor the outriggers may drop a bit but it is entirely expected. I have never had any issues of drop while running the hoe................not ever. My tractor was purchased a year and a half ago and now has close to 350 hours on it and the backhoe time is about half the tractor hours displayed. I believe Kioti's backhoes are very good and would repeat this purchase.

rimshot

 

[edameyer]

I too have a CK20 with a BH. Like posted earlier, a small leak-down occurs when parked overnight or more but not an issue when using it and moving etc. I did what you are about to do, built a house with lots of dirt work. Worked great.

 

[Dmace]

4yr old CK20HST with KB2365 and 370 hours, it will leak down slowly while sitting overnight but not even enough to touch the ground so I use the locks to hold up the stabilizers and lay the bucket on the ground. I have worked it to the bone for a 14hr day never using the backhoe and it never moved while mounted to the tractor. I also leave the hydraulic selector in position and not neutral while the backhoe is mounted, I wonder if those with problems are putting the selector in Neutral when not using the backhoe and that causes the leakdown...

 

[kodiak88]

Thanks guys anyone else out there with issues.I just want to get a fair sense before i pull the trigger on the ck30hst with backhoe.I have read where people opt for the woods backhoe ,i have yet to see one in person,but the kioti 75series looks pretty tough in my opinion.

 

[rcrcomputing]

I've the 2005 Kioti hoe on my ck30. Its very strong. It does leak down when not in use. For example, if I park the tractor, 30 minutes later I'm fine. 2 hours later, I have to hit the knob to pick it up before I go anywhere.. Just think of it as an extra emergency brake that sets itself. hehe I guess that's why you have a pin to stick in to keep it up.. No big deal..

On the down side, it's a bit unweldy and if I was looking again, I'd find something with a bit better controls. I do see the new ones are MUCH differant. The feet come up and down WAY to quick which of course you "kindof" get used to. I'd also get a thumb on it if I wasn't into welding (which I am).

All-in-all, it's been a beast.

 

[Mousefield]

I just took some pictures of my Woods backhoe. The reason I got the Woods was because it has a great seven position thumb. Don't have many rocks but lots of trees. The thumb is great, when splitting firewood rounds I use the backhoe to put them on my wood splitter. Much easier on my back.

 

[JoelD]

I'm a big fan of thumbs and have had on both of my backhoes (both manual, never needed or wanted for hydraulic). Super useful implement, I use for cutting logs and stacking and moving rocks.

Joel

 

[IslandTractor]

1) I have had both Kioti and Woods backhoes. Similar minor leakdown overnight/over week on both. No noticable difference.

2) I used my BH thumb this weekend to move some logs around in preparation for sawing to cord wood lengths. Very useful as I could reach further than with my grapple. However, given the cost of the thumb, I'd go for a grapple for the FEL first and only then add a thumb. No comparison in the number of jobs that the grapple makes possible compared to the thumb.

 

[rcrcomputing]

Island, your going to MAKE me do it aren't you. Subtile little hints.. Need grapple, need grapple..
I guess will be my next build.. I just got finish with some forks. Really neat, I can pick them up and set them off without getting off the tractor!

 

[IslandTractor]

Island, your going to MAKE me do it aren't you. Subtile little hints.. Need grapple, need grapple..

Grapples rule.

 

[rmahlert]

I have the 2375 on my CK25 and it if it's not locked up while moving around I need to turn and raise the backhoe every once and a while. Kinda ticks me off when moving a pile.

I have about 450 hours on the tractor, and I guess half has been without the backhoe on the tractor.

 

[VictorW]

I have a 2005 KB2375 on my CK30hst. Considering it's size, a strong hoe. The swing control is fast and takes some getting used to. The Woods has an adjustable flow control from what others mentioned. The stabilizers will drop down a bit, about an inch a day, if not hooked. The main boom, maybe a few inches a day. The new Kioti bh is different than mine but I haven't looked at one up close to see what they changed. Under warranty, I had to replace one of the stabilizer control valves. It was defective from day one. Other than that, no other problems. If price was close, I'd take the Woods but you should be happy with either.

 

[dfkrug]

The new Kioti bh is different than mine but I haven't looked at one up close to see what they changed.

Up close, the newer Kioti 2475 that replaced your 2375 seems to be
substantially improved. I have not operated either, however. Don't you
guys use the boom transport lock to keep the boom from leaking down?

MOUSE: your Woods hoe in Kubota orange looks like a close color match
to the Kioti orange.

 

[VictorW]

I normally use the transport locks when I'm done for the day or if I'm moving the tractor doing loader work along with using the bh. Bumpy ground will have the bh boom bouncing. My drop times were for when I stopped for the day and forgot to use the locks. If I'm not going to use the bh for a few days, I take it off. I got it down to about five minutes for on or off.

 

[Coyote machine]

for what its worth, my dealer gave me a spray can of Kioti orange, (*new color), for the *latest models and he said it is the same as the Kubota orange?!
I can't swear by it but that is what I was told....
It looks darn close to me, but I could be off base- anyone know for sure?
To tell the truth I'm surprised Kioti goes with orange to begin with - when I first drove by my dealer's I thought he WAS selling Kubotas

I'm sure its marketing to confuse buyers like me to think they've come across a Kubota dealer when its going to become obvious its a Kioti before it gets purchased?!

Not trying to hijack thread- just thought I'd throw in what I was told about the orange colors

On topic of backhoes, my KIOTI 2485 on my DK 35 is a wicked strong beast, especially with a thumb added to it. I find it a little under powered at times to move side to side, but digging- forget it! It digs like a much bigger hoe....
I've also got it plumbed with a new 'kit' from Kioti that allows the return line to go directly to the reservoir instead of the 'B' rear remote valve, which makes it run faster than it would if the hydraulic lines went to 'A' and 'B' instead.

 

[Mousefield]

These are pics of my year old CK35HST with a Woods backhoe, model BH70-X. To me the colour is the same, tractor and backhoe. I do notice that my backhoe will settle down if I do not have the lock on to hold it in place. Unless I am actively using my backhoe I have always used the lock.

 

[dfkrug]

I've also got it plumbed with a new 'kit' from Kioti that allows the return line to go directly to the reservoir instead of the 'B' rear remote valve, which makes it run faster than it would if the hydraulic lines went to 'A' and 'B' instead.

That is the first I have heard of that kit. It makes sense that you
will get less fluid resistance that way. I use the AUX valve to run my
backhoe, too, and I think that the restrictions of the AUX valve cause
more fluid heating than PB-type hoe plumbing I have used on other tractors.
I was considering plumbing in a PB loop on my CK30 for that reason. Your
approach would be easier to do and a good thing if it gives significantly
better flow resistance.

Where did Kioti's kit put the return line?

 

[Coyote machine]

The kit puts what would otherwise connect to the rear remote marked 'B' into the reservoir directly via and adapter that moves the overflow's 'Shepard's crook' to the other side near the remotes, and allows the 'b' return line to connect into the reservoir fill location on the right, as viewed from the back of the tractor.
Does that answer your question?
If not let me know and I will detail it further....

 

[IslandTractor]

Is that different than the power beyond hook up?