Haybine or Discbine?

/ Haybine or Discbine? #1  

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JD 4310 & JD 4020
Well I have decided to take back our land from our long time renter and raise our own hay. Don't know a thing about it. With everyone's help from TBN. I have bought a JD 4310 a few years ago and recently a JD 4020 tractor, NH 256 rake, JD 336 baler, and a MM P3-6 drill.
What I want to buy next would be some type of mower. We will be raising grass hay. What would be the best type of mower to use? There will be 35 acres.

Thanks Paul
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #2  
Well I have decided to take back our land from our long time renter and raise our own hay. Don't know a thing about it. With everyone's help from TBN. I have bought a JD 4310 a few years ago and recently a JD 4020 tractor, NH 256 rake, JD 336 baler, and a MM P3-6 drill.
What I want to buy next would be some type of mower. We will be raising grass hay. What would be the best type of mower to use? There will be 35 acres.

Thanks Paul

Don't know about haybines or discbines. I use straight sicklebar mowers, an old Allis Chalmers 80T and a mid-mount sicklebar on my 1951 Farmall Super A (both have 6-ft cutter bars).

I also have a MM P3-6 drill on steel wheels.

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Bought 2 of these from a neighbor last year for $275. Restored one to use on my 6-acres of hayfield; the other is a spares unit/lawn ornament. Haven't had a chance to use the drill yet. Hope to do some planting next Sep/Oct.

We don't need mower-conditioners around here because of the low humidity and skimpy annual rainfall (19"/yr normal). But I am interested in getting an 7-8ft disc mower to use with my 2008 Mahindra 5525 (54 hp engine, 45 hp pto) and retire the sicklebars. So far I haven't made the change. I have some rocky patches in my hayfield and I'm concerned about tossing stones around when the disc mower bottoms out on the ground.
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #3  
The discbine will get you thru the field a bit faster and for sure you wont be jumping off to unplug it. However, unless your fields are really smooth theres a limit to how fast youll want to go. Youll need to make sure your tractor can actually drive the discbine...they require a fair amt of hp. As well discbines purchase price is going to be somewhat more than a comparably sized haybine +, depending on yr and problem, really expensive to repair. On the haybine side they wont be as fast thru the field and have the tendency to plug in heavy wet grass. However, they dont require nearly the hp and for the larger sizes arent terribly expensive to purchase. I think theres a bit more ongoing maint w/ them though. I own a 7' haybine (MF725) and it took me roughly 10hrs to mow my 19ac of hay ground. Most of the time was spent on the tractor but I did wind up clearing several plugs. In your case w/ 35ac youd certain want to size the haybine bigger. If you have to drive over roads keep that in mind when sizing. For a rough idea on used prices take a look at whats at tractorhouse.com
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #4  
Your JD 4020 w/ 80-90 HP should handle a New Holland 9' haybine w/o any trouble. I would cut 1/2 of the field, ted (if you have one), rake, bale that before starting on the 2nd half of the field. If you have mechanical troubles (and starting out you might) your not under pressure to bale up the entire field. I cut 22 acres with a 14' windrower and it takes around 6 hours, we cut 1/2 for the 1st cutting, bale that (with a 4 day dry window) then wait and cut the 2nd 1/2 when we see a 4 day dry window. 2nd/3rd cutting- we generally knock down everything due to a lack of volume of hay. Your JD 4310 will make an excellent tedding/raking tractor. I don't have any knowledge of what size of a discbine- your 4020 should handle one.

Good Luck!!
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #5  
I had a 12' discbine i bought at an auction last june for $3,500. It came with a box full of spare parts, a new set of blades, some bearings, and a few new skid shoes. I used it to cut 35 acres and it took me 4 1/2 hours. It's recommended tractor size is 100 hp but 70 PTO hp pulled it without a problem.
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #6  
Hmm, how much moisture in your area? What do other people use there? 35 acres isn't that much, you could use any of the hay mowers available.

Up here it is wet, so the mower conditioner is king. If you have money its a disc mower conditioner. If not its a sickle bar mower conditioner.

There are a few old timers with sickle bar mowers who fart around on a couple of acres. I'm curious to try a straight disc mower, since I have to ted already.
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #7  
. I'm curious to try a straight disc mower, since I have to ted already.

I think you'll regret not conditioning. We just switched to an impeller conditioner on a disc mo co from rubber rolls on a sickle mo co. That change plus a rotary rake has cut drying Mid June cut hay here in SW Maine form 4 days to three. It also makes a big difference with second crop. We also tedd.
Greg
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #8  
Greg,
Right now using a sickle bar mo-co NH 489, I can usually get hay up in 3 days, somedays 2. I mow in the morning, first tedding in the afternoon, next tedding before lunch the next day, and if it was windy, I can rake at 4 pm and start baling right away. Normally though I have to ted the third time before raking.

One of the reasons for all the tedding is vetch and bedstraw that is taking over some of our fields. Its worse than legumes for dry down, at least the animals like it.

I find my drying slows to a crawl once I rake into a windrow. I've been trying to think of a good way to rig my rake onto the front of the tractor to rake right into the baler pickup as a I go in order to get more baling time.
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #9  
We have a lot of bedstraw too. Last year May was dry and the Timothy was short so all you'd see were the yellow bedstraw blossoms. We went with a Kuhn rotary rake a couple of years ago and it makes big fluffy windrows that dry great. It's especially helpful when the ground is wet since we can rake earlier with no threat of making rope - a problem with our old side delivery rake - and get the hay up off of the damp ground.
Greg
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #10  
I used an old 1010 Heston hydro swing M/C with my Same 60 hp tractor ,For the rake I had a Kuhn tedder/ rake combo but that was a pain to change so I just used it to tedder and also a 11ft Kuhn rake that was real good in vetch
and a Heston 4600 in line baler
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #11  
If the ground is damp when I cut, I set the windrower narrow on the haybine and leave it for a few hours before tedding. I've tries several times to dry hay in a windrow though and have never succeeded, always takes the amount of time you're talking about to put it up.

The last three years I've not had any stretches longer than 3 days without some rain so I'm certainly worried about not conditioning.

- and get the hay up off of the damp ground.
Greg
 
/ Haybine or Discbine?
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Thanks for all of the replies:
Flusher nice looking drill. The guy that was renting our land. His gear box went out on his Gehl discbine. I think he said it was 3-4 thousand to get it fixed. He bought a used NH haybine instead of fixing it. I'm not rich but I would rather pay a little more for a good used one that is field ready than one that needs alot of work. I was looking (just looking) at the NH 1465 haybine. Nice. Not in my budget. Maybe a used one. Keep up the replies.
Thanks Paul
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #13  
I have a NH 488 that I pull with a Ford 4600 52HP. And thats plenty of tractor even on hills. All I have done to it is greased it.
 
/ Haybine or Discbine?
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#14  
I've looked at the NH 488 on tractor house. Are they a good unit?
Thanks Paul
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #15  
Disc machine is simple. Easy to work on for preventative maintenence and things like blade sharpening/swapping. Will mow through anything as fast as you dare to drive. You'll do far less damage if any to a disc machine if you run through a small obstacle vs the cutters on a haybine. You're 4020 will run almost any mower you select with no problem at all, as long as it's not grossly oversized. More than enough power. Back in the day we used far less h.p. than that (like 70-75)on both haybines and discbines, both with conditioners - no issues. We had a 4020 powershift that we put a turbo on and used for the higher horsepower needs. Bulletproof tractor - arguably one of the best ever made.
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #16  
Here痴 a couple of things from my experience with both.

Diskbine Knives are cheaper than a cutter bar and easier to replace. Cuts faster and I have never plugged one. When something does go wrong, it gets expensive very quickly. Cutter bar or gear boxes can go into the thousands.

Haybine Slower, more prone to knife and guard damage. Much cheaper with major repairs. Better with down hay, can be more gentle on leafy crops.

Having used a disk, I hope to never go back to a sickle bar.

One other note, I myself after having used a disk mower would never use one on a tractor w/out a cab. Or at least have a shield made that goes between the tractor and the mower. I have a neighbor that I help a lot, and he switched 5 years ago to a disk. His brother, who has had disk mowers for about 10 years before that, was the one who told us about the safety issue. If you hit a stone just right it can come out and can go up. We groom our fields like a lawn when we seed back (woodchucks don't seem to care). We also replace the front curtain as needed. In 5 years mowing about a 100 acres a year 2-4 cuttings per season we have had 3 stones hit the cab. One time breaking the safety glass, 2 other leaving chips in the glass. Very glad the glass took the hit and not me. I know people mow with these without a cab, that is there choice, not mine.
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #17  
I've always wondered why people don't fit a longer sheet metal cover over the front...
 
/ Haybine or Discbine?
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There is an auction coming up in a couple of weeks with a NH 492. Supposed to be in good shape. Plan on checking it out.
Paul
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #19  
I'm curious to try a straight disc mower, since I have to ted already.

Based on what Ive seen in my area conditioning is a big advantage. I bale at least a full day earlier than my neighbor who uses a disc mower. Without crushing stems I think its hard to impossible to have it all dry down together. If you wait for the stems to be dry then the leaves are too dry. If you wait for the leaves to dry correctly, the stems are still wet and the hay can be moldy. Since most hay here is round baled I think over dry leaves might work OK (not great but OK). If youre square baling then I believe the leaves will disintegrate.
 
/ Haybine or Discbine? #20  
I think the 492 is the same as what the 1465 is now. When I was shopping for the 488 I looked at the 1465. It is suppose to roll with bumpy fields better than the 488. They wanted about $2500 more than the 488. Just check the rollers to see if they are beat up with chunks missing as this is the most expensive part to replace. Good Luck.
 

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