What's the difference

[bigtiller]

I just bought a Taurus 45/410 revolver and have shot up all the ammo the guy gave me and I am wondering what the difference is with with these shells before I buy the wrong shell.
.45 APC
.45 Colt
.45 Long Colt

Another reason for asking is the "cowboy loads" I shot worked fine but they are a little dirty and the hollow points caused the gun to jam.

 

[RedRocker]

45 ACP is a automatic Colt pistol round.
You want 45 Colt/Long Colt for your gun, I believe they
are one in the same, just different terminology.
I have a rifle set up for both rounds.

 

[weldingisfun]

The .45 ACP is for an autoloading weapon, the case length is .898 inch.
The .45 Colt is used in revolvers and carbines, the case length is 1.285 inch. RedRocker is correct, it is the same as the .45 Long Colt. Probably called Long Colt to distinguish it from the much shorter .45 ACP which, by the way, is also a rimless case.
Here is a link that may be informative. .45 Colt (.45 long Colt)

 

[actionaj]

The 45/410 Taurus is on my to get list. Very nice pistol I have a Taurus Ultra light .45 Long Colt good shooter very light weight. The 45/410 I think it would be cool to alternate .45LC and 410 buckshot in every other chamber.

 

[Killer_B]

the hollow points caused the gun to jam.

How does a revolver jam? I thought only the bottom feeders did that.

KB

 

[bigtiller]

How does a revolver jam? I thought only the bottom feeders did that.

KB

The cylinder would not rotate and the hammer would not cock. I had to push the release lever and open the cylinder then close and rotate up to the next shell.

 

[DieselPower]

I just bought a Taurus 45/410 revolver and have shot up all the ammo the guy gave me and I am wondering what the difference is with with these shells before I buy the wrong shell.
.45 APC
.45 Colt
.45 Long Colt

Another reason for asking is the "cowboy loads" I shot worked fine but they are a little dirty and the hollow points caused the gun to jam.

What were the cowboy loads? I'm a hand loader and it almost sounds as if they were over charged and it is pushing the primers out. Were they cheap off brand stuff. If they were check the head thickness. I have run across a couple batch's of thin case heads over the years. When the cartridge is fired the case swells locking the body in the cylinder, the head is forward in it's recess having been pushed forward by the hammer and since the head is thinner than it should be the primer is pushed out. The noticeable difference is that the overcharged cartridge will have a very deformed primer with a mushroomed head while the thin head one tends to just push the primer out while not crushing it as much. Were the primers pierced? Were these real cowboy loads loaded with real black powder? Lots of things can cause a revolver to jam, not anywhere as close to as many as a auto loader but it does happen and it's usually not very hard to track down the problem.

 

[bigtiller]

What were the cowboy loads? I'm a hand loader and it almost sounds as if they were over charged and it is pushing the primers out. Were they cheap off brand stuff. If they were check the head thickness. I have run across a couple batch's of thin case heads over the years. When the cartridge is fired the case swells locking the body in the cylinder, the head is forward in it's recess having been pushed forward by the hammer and since the head is thinner than it should be the primer is pushed out. The noticeable difference is that the overcharged cartridge will have a very deformed primer with a mushroomed head while the thin head one tends to just push the primer out while not crushing it as much. Were the primers pierced? Were these real cowboy loads loaded with real black powder? Lots of things can cause a revolver to jam, not anywhere as close to as many as a auto loader but it does happen and it's usually not very hard to track down the problem.

These were all new Winchester shells called "cowboy action loads" and not to cheap either at $30 for a box of 50. I called the Taurus help line and they said the jamming was probably because the hollow points had a 225 grain bullet. They recommend a 250 or 255 grain bullet.

 

[the_sandman_454]

Usually "cowboy loads" are loaded weaker than normal for ease of use at "cowboy action shooting" events. Then again I don't have anything chambered in .45LC, so I have no personal experience. You can go to the ammo manufacturer's website and check the velocity, energy, etc of different loads.

With a revolver, especially a lighter one, the recoil from certain loads can unseat the bullets and cause them to jam the cylinder. With my airweight S&W J frame they caution against using bullets less than 125 grain, as the sharper recoil could unseat the ammo or something like that.

 

[dmccarty]

With a revolver, especially a lighter one, the recoil from certain loads can unseat the bullets and cause them to jam the cylinder. With my airweight S&W J frame they caution against using bullets less than 125 grain, as the sharper recoil could unseat the ammo or something like that.

AH HA!



Many years ago I was qualifying and a friend next to me on the line was shooting a 357. That danged thing JAMMED. TWICE. On the FIRST round fired. The round went bang and the bullet wedged between the barrel and the cylinder! VERY not good. All of the energy from the round was converted into heat which got the cylinder HOT. And the cylinder had five more rounds. The range office was sitting there cussing as he tried to open the hot cylinder. I backed off the line ASAP.

If *** I *** was the RO I would have put the revolver down and had everyone walk away.

He eventually cleared the bullet. She reloaded. Fired. And we did the exercise again. She got some new ammo after round number 2.

Yours is the first explanation that explains what happened with her ammo.

As an aside. Same Lady. Same Ruger. Same Range. We were firing the night time course for qualifying. The range was in a swamp. The range itself was pretty nice. But it was surrounded by swamp. It was so humid just standing still you were covered in sweat. It was so humid you could see your breath and it was in no way cold. It was SE FLA after all. We went to qualify and we could not see. Once we put on eye protection they fogged up. The range officer said take off you glasses if you needed too. We needed too.

That is the first and only time I'll ever shoot without glasses. The lady next to me was short. And I'm tall. She fired and a piece of metal hit an inch or two under my left eye. Stung a bit. If she had been a bit taller or me a bit shorter I think I would look like a Pirate.

Later,
Dan