1969 Ford 4400 Tractor/Backhoe

[wkheathjr]

Hello,

Came cross another backhoe ad on craig's list and seller was asking $2,800 OBO. Came in and had a look then paid $1,500. It needs some works and possible engine rebuilding but I still thought $1,500 was too good to pass especially when it still runs.

Managed to find qualified mechanic who is willing to barter by fixing my backhoe in exchange to full season of deer hunting on my 55 acres. He is supposed to come in and we are to have a look at it and make list of all things that need to be fixed before we put the agreement in writing.

I am not familiar with history of Ford and I couldn't locate any Ford Tractor dealer in my area (Eastern NC surrounding Goldsboro/Kinston area). Did the company change name or what? I noticed that it is not listed on this forum too so vintage seems to be fitting for now. I'm excited and I wanted to get idea on what kind of price to expect when buying a replacement parts or kits from a dealer or private supplier (know any?).

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Ford sold their tractor division to Fiat which then became New Holland. You shouldn't have very much trouble finding parts for that machine.

 

[wkheathjr]

Thank for the quick reply! That's what I suspected since the color look almost similar. Many thanks!

 

[Soundguy]

And now's it's Case New holland... CNH

soundguy

 

[TYMinColton]

And now's it's Case New holland... CNH

soundguy

Does NH supply any parts for the vintage Case tractors that later become part of IH (or at least that's what I thought)?

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Does NH supply any parts for the vintage Case tractors that later become part of IH (or at least that's what I thought)?

For vintage Case tractor parts you will need to go to your Case-IH dealer still. Ford parts you need to go to New Holland dealers. They are all one company with the same tractors but they keep the dealers seperate.

 

[Soundguy]

And as far as vintage aprts support.. many of the larger companies still have quite good support for the older machines..

soundguy

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Does NH supply any parts for the vintage Case tractors that later become part of IH (or at least that's what I thought)?

Case didn't become "part of IH". Actually the other way around. Case (Tenneco at the time) bought the IH Ag division when IH was having their version of a fire sale in the 1980's. It became Case-IH.....for a while anyway.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

And as far as vintage aprts support.. many of the larger companies still have quite good support for the older machines..

soundguy

Excellent support.....


The parts support for all the "orphan" brands is a HUGE part of CNH and AGCO's bottom line. Just got my "Heritage Parts" catalog from MF/AGCO on friday! Anything "Fergie" or MF prior to AGCO is listed. They cover all the bases.

 

[Soundguy]

Excellent support.....


The parts support for all the "orphan" brands is a HUGE part of CNH and AGCO's bottom line. Just got my "Heritage Parts" catalog from MF/AGCO on friday! Anything "Fergie" or MF prior to AGCO is listed. They cover all the bases.

Yep.. and CNH has made all the old ford parts diagrams back to 1939 available online with parts numbers and all.

makes it much easier to order if you forgot your parts manual and need to look up an assembly real quick..

soundguy

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Yep.. and CNH has made all the old ford parts diagrams back to 1939 available online with parts numbers and all.

makes it much easier to order if you forgot your parts manual and need to look up an assembly real quick..

soundguy

Consider all the TE/TO Fergies, N Fords, and even some of the later models on into the early '60's and there's several MILLION tractors needing parts. Even with the big market for small tractors these days, I doubt ALL the brands combined will equal the sales numbers of those tractors in the 40's and 50's. That huge parts base isn't one to be brushed aside. AGCO and CNH, even ol' Mother Deere has to LOVE the replacement parts business the old iron draws to their doorstep.

Sometimes I think the parts/service and the finance end of these companies are their mainstay and they just build a few tractors as a front

 

[Soundguy]

Consider all the TE/TO Fergies, N Fords, and even some of the later models on into the early '60's and there's several MILLION tractors needing parts. Even with the big market for small tractors these days, I doubt ALL the brands combined will equal the sales numbers of those tractors in the 40's and 50's. That huge parts base isn't one to be brushed aside. AGCO and CNH, even ol' Mother Deere has to LOVE the replacement parts business the old iron draws to their doorstep.

Sometimes I think the parts/service and the finance end of these companies are their mainstay and they just build a few tractors as a front

Yep the long production runs of the older tractors did really pump out the units. Nowadays.. production runs are limited to just a few years on a unit.. then it is redesigned and rebadged and changed..

I believe we will see less aprts support for what we see as modern machine, once 40 ys has past.

IE.. as you pontout.. a N or Fergy TO model that had hundreds of thousands of units.. vs a machine that may have only had a very small / short run.. etc.

soundguy

 

[wkheathjr]

I am curious...

What's the story on 4400? I didn't get a up close look on the brochure of the 1969 4400 backhoe, but is it true that the loader and backhoe was sold separately? Or did they come together? Just trying to get some fact so I will know what to do.

Many thanks for some interesting info on dealership and will definitely go to the place if can not find the part anywhere else.